Is There a Fundamental Limit on Acceleration in the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether there is a fundamental limit on acceleration in the universe, exploring both classical and quantum perspectives. It touches on concepts from general relativity, black holes, and potential implications from quantum gravity theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while the universe has a speed limit (the speed of light), it is unclear if there is a corresponding limit on acceleration.
  • One participant mentions that in classical general relativity, a particle falling into a black hole experiences acceleration that can grow without bound as it approaches the singularity, although this is coordinate-dependent.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the Planck scale from quantum gravity, suggesting it may provide a natural acceleration scale but expresses uncertainty about whether it sets a maximum for particle acceleration.
  • A counterexample using Novikov coordinates is presented, where both the acceleration and velocity of an infalling particle can be zero, challenging the notion of coordinate-independent acceleration limits.
  • Some participants express that they are not aware of any fundamental limit on proper acceleration, emphasizing the ability to measure acceleration without relying on specific coordinate systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a fundamental limit on acceleration exists. Multiple competing views are presented, particularly regarding the implications of general relativity and quantum gravity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on coordinate systems in general relativity and the unresolved nature of quantum gravity theories, which may influence the understanding of acceleration limits.

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The universe has a speed limit (speed of light), does it have an acceleration limit?
 
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In classical general relativity, a particle falling into a black hole has an acceleration that surpasses any finite bound as it approaches the singularity. (This acceleration is only defined in a particular coordinate system, but I don't think any coordinate system exists in which the acceleration doesn't grow without bound.)

In a theory of quantum gravity, you have a natural scale called the Planck scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_scale , and it does provide a natural acceleration scale: (Planck length)/(Planck time)2=5x1051 m/s2. Since we don't have a theory of quantum gravity, I doubt that anyone can say for sure whether this Planck acceleration sets a maximum on the acceleration of any particle.
 
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bcrowell said:
(This acceleration is only defined in a particular coordinate system, but I don't think any coordinate system exists in which the acceleration doesn't grow without bound.)

Novikov coordinates would be a counterexample - an example in which not only the acceleration, but the velocity, of an infalling (any infalling) particle is zero. In Novikov coordinates a fountain of free falling particles particles and their proper time give the coordinates of any event in space-time. Each particle has a constant value of R* attached to it for the radial coordinate - R*, which is determined by the maximum value of the Schwarzscild R coordinate (though it's not identical to make a horrendous calculation slightly less messy). The proper times are all synchronized to the value zero when the particles are at their maximum Schwarzschild R value.

As far as the OP's question goes, I'm not aware of any fundamental limit on acceleration (which I would think of as proper acceleration, I don't see the need to bring coordinates into it when we can measure acceleration without them).

But I don't have anough knowledge about quantum gravity to say if it would change anything.
 
pervect said:
As far as the OP's question goes, I'm not aware of any fundamental limit on acceleration (which I would think of as proper acceleration, I don't see the need to bring coordinates into it when we can measure acceleration without them).

Good point -- and thanks for pointing out the counterexample to my claim about the coordinate-independence of the diverging coordinate acceleration!

-Ben
 

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