Is there a isomorphism between N and Q?

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The discussion revolves around the potential isomorphism between the groups of natural numbers (N) and positive rationals (Q+). It highlights the confusion stemming from the fact that N has a single generator, while Q+ has multiple generators, complicating the construction of an isomorphism. Participants clarify that N is not a group under addition, suggesting that Z (integers) might be the intended group instead. The conversation emphasizes that a bijection between sets does not guarantee an isomorphism between their respective algebraic structures. Ultimately, the original poster acknowledges the mix-up between set bijections and group isomorphisms.
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Hi all,

I wonder if there is an isomorphism between the group of \mathbb{N} and the group of \mathbb{Q} (or \mathbb{Q}+). I know there is a proof that there is a bijection between these sets, but I didn't find a way how to construct the isomorphism.

What confuses me a little is that (I think) the group of natural numbers has only one generator, while the group of (positive) rationals has more than one generator, so I can't see how the mapping would look like.

Thank you for any hints!
 
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Well you've answered your own question, since the image of the generator should generate the image of the entire group. Can you make this into a proof?
 
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Er, N isn't a group. Did you mean Z, with addition as the operation?

(And, I assume you meant addition for Q and multiplication for Q+)


There's no reason to think that the existence of a bijection as sets implies that there is an isomorphism as groups.
 
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There's no reason to think that the existence of a bijection as sets implies that there is an isomorphism as groups.

It's a step in the right direction though.
 
Thank you, I've got it, I mixed the general set bijection and isomorphism between algebraic structures in my mind.
 
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