Is There a Limit to the Size of a Black Hole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether there is a maximum size limit for black holes and the implications of their size on Hawking radiation and other properties. Participants explore theoretical aspects, observational implications, and the physics behind black hole behavior.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that there is no known size limit for black holes, suggesting they could theoretically grow indefinitely if supplied with enough matter.
  • Others argue that while larger black holes emit less Hawking radiation, the relationship between size and radiation intensity is complex and not fully understood.
  • One participant mentions that the density of accreted material around a black hole could lead to a situation where it cannot absorb matter quickly enough, resulting in the ejection of high-energy particles.
  • There is a discussion about the black-body spectrum of black holes, with larger black holes having a lower temperature and thus emitting less radiation compared to smaller ones.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how emitted power scales with black hole mass and size, indicating a lack of consensus on this aspect.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that the luminosity of black holes scales inversely with the mass squared, suggesting that smaller black holes emit more energy than larger ones.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that larger black holes emit less Hawking radiation, but there is no consensus on the implications of this or whether there is a maximum size limit. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanics of black hole growth and radiation emission.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the behavior of black holes under various conditions, such as the density of surrounding material and the effects of cosmic background radiation. The scaling of emitted power with black hole mass is also noted as an area of uncertainty.

Keith
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I'm just curious, do black holes have a maximum size? In other words, if it theoretically had an infinite supply of matter to "feed" off of, would the black hole just get more and more massive or is there a point where it can no longer fit anymore matter? Will it just spit out hawking radiation?
 
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There is no known size limit.
Larger black holes emit less Hawking radiation.
 
No I don't think there is an upper limit on size, but you can get a situation where the accereted material around a black hole gets so dense that the BH can't absorb it quickly enough.
The excess gets ejected as a high energy beam of particles from just outside the event horizon at the poles of the BH.
 
Awesome, thank you guys
 
mfb said:
Larger black holes emit less Hawking radiation.

That's cool I didn't know that. Why is that?
 
They emit a black-body spectrum with a specific temperature, this temperature corresponds to a wavelength (for light), and that is proportional to their size.
Larger => longer wavelengths => colder => lower intensity of Hawking radiation
 
Keith said:
That's cool I didn't know that. Why is that?

Don't take what I write below too seriously.

Large black holes produces smaller "tidal forces" at their event horizons than do small black holes. Consequently, at its event, a large black "pulls apart" virtual particle-antiparticle pairs at a slower rate than does a small black hole.

The real analysis is very technical.
 
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mfb said:
They emit a black-body spectrum with a specific temperature, this temperature corresponds to a wavelength (for light), and that is proportional to their size.
Larger => longer wavelengths => colder => lower intensity of Hawking radiation

So it's not that bigger black holes emit less hawking radiation than smaller ones? It's just that the surface area becomes more spread out as the black hole becomes larger and is distributed less intensely to an object that remains a constant size? In other words, theoretically, if an object geometrically grew at the same rate as the black hole, would it experience the same amount of hawking radiation the whole time?

Am I understanding correctly? I'm sorry if none of this makes sense. I feel so feeble minded :p
 
Well, if you think of a black hole as a perfect black body radiator, then a larger black hole has a lower temperature than a smaller black hole. All known black holes today absorb more energy from the cosmic background radiation, which has the spectrum of a black body at approximately 2.7 kelvin, than they emit in hawking radiation. So while the spectrum of a more massive black hole is that of a cooler body, I don't know how the emitted power scales with black hole mass and size.
 
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Drakkith said:
Well, if you think of a black hole as a perfect black body radiator, then a larger black hole has a lower temperature than a smaller black hole. All known black holes today absorb more energy from the cosmic background radiation, which has the spectrum of a black body at approximately 2.7 kelvin, than they emit in hawking radiation. So while the spectrum of a more massive black hole is that of a cooler body, I don't know how the emitted power scales with black hole mass and size.
Looked it up here:
http://xaonon.dyndns.org/hawking/

Apparently the luminosity in watts scales inversely with the mass squared. So the total energy emitted per unit time is much greater for a smaller black hole.
 

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