Is There a Quicker Way to Find the Steady State Solution Than Solving y(t)?

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The discussion revolves around finding the steady state solution of a continuous linear time invariant system described by a second-order differential equation. The original poster is exploring methods to simplify the process of determining the steady state output for a given input function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve for y(t) using Laplace transforms and ODE methods, questioning the correctness of their approach due to the presence of an e^t term indicating instability. Some participants suggest alternative forms for y(t) to explore steady state solutions, while others discuss the implications of the characteristic equation's roots.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the implications of the characteristic equation and the nature of the solutions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of unbounded solutions and the form of the steady state solution, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach using Laplace transforms.

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The original poster expresses concern about the length of the working required for the Laplace transform method compared to other methods, indicating a preference for a more efficient approach. There is also mention of using computational tools to assist with the calculations.

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[SOLVED] Steady state solution

I was wondering if I did this question correctly, solving for y(t) and putting t = infinity to get a steady state solution. Or is this wrong or is there an alternative way that is much quicker (as solving for y(t) would take a page of working, where the working out on the exam paper was less then half a page)

Homework Statement


A continuous linear time invariant system with input x(t) and output y(t) related by:

y''(t) + y'(t) - 2y(t) = x(t)

Find the stead state output of the system for x(t) = 2cos(t) + sin(200t)

The Attempt at a Solution



Initially used laplace transform to get Y(s) and inverse transform and put t = infinity to see what part died out over time (transient reponse), however it did not seem correct (used mathematica to double check) as I got a e^t term.

Using ODE solving methods with characteristic equation r^2 + r - 2 = 0, I solved initially the homogeneous solution which had a Ce^t term and got a similar total solution to when using laplace transforms.
 
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I haven't tried but you may want to assume y = a*cos(t)+b*sin(t)+c*sin(200t)+d*cos(200t) or something like that.
 
Yes, the solution has a e^t part, as you might expect since 1 is a root of the characteristic equation. You aren't making any mistakes. I would say that means the system is unstable to runaway solution, but I'm not sure what to do in your context. Do you just ignore it by setting the coefficient=0?
 
Yes, the characteristic equation r2+ r- 2= (r+ 2)(r-1) has solutions 1 and -2. In order to have a "steady state solution", you cannot have unbounded solutions. Take the "C" in "Cet" to be 0. Then the other solution, De-2t goes to 0. Your steady state solution is just the specific solution corresponding to y = a*cos(t)+b*sin(t)+c*sin(200t)+d*cos(200t).
 
Thanks for the replies.

I see how it works when using ODE methods now. Just a final question, how do you do this with laplace transforms.

I got:
Y(s)(s^2 + s - 2) = (2s/(1 + s^2) + 200/(40000 + s^2))

This was taking to long to evaluate by hand so I used mathematica, and the e^x term had a coefficient of 40201/120003. How can laplace transforms used to make this coefficient zero ?
 

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