Is there a simpler method for finding the integral of sqrt(tan x)?

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The discussion revolves around finding a simpler method for evaluating the integral of \(\sqrt{\tan(x)}\). Participants explore various substitution techniques, integration methods, and potential simplifications, focusing on both definite and indefinite integrals.

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  • One participant presents a substitution \(u^2 = \tan(x)\) and expresses difficulty with the resulting integral involving partial fractions.
  • Another participant suggests that contour integration might be useful if the integral is definite, but does not provide a simpler method for the indefinite case.
  • Some participants propose alternative forms of the integral, breaking it into parts that involve standard integral forms.
  • There is a discussion about how to handle the differentials \(d(u - \frac{1}{u})\) and \(d(u + \frac{1}{u})\) in the integrals.
  • Substitution methods are suggested for simplifying the integrals involving \(d(u - \frac{1}{u})\) and \(d(u + \frac{1}{u})\).
  • Clarifications are made regarding the notation and structure of the integrals, with one participant correcting another about the presence of differentials.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a simpler method for the integral. Multiple approaches are discussed, but no single method is universally accepted as simpler than the others.

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Some participants express confusion over the notation and the handling of differentials, indicating potential limitations in clarity regarding the integration techniques discussed.

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My question is about this integral:

[tex]\int\sqrt{\tan (x)}dx[/tex]

After using the substitution, u2 = tan(x), I got,

[tex]2\int\frac{u^2}{u^4 + 1}du = 2\int\frac{u^2}{\left(u^2 + \sqrt{2}u + 1\right)\left(u^2 - \sqrt{2}u + 1\right)}du[/tex]

Next, I tried the partial fraction expansion. But it turned pretty ugly. Is there any easier way of doing it?
 
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If it is a definite integral, I think contour integration would be the way to go... otherwise I can't think of a way to make it nice.
 
I don't think there's a neater way to compute it other than the method you already have.
 
There is;

[tex]\int \frac{2u^2}{u^4+1} du = \int \frac{u^2+1}{u^4+1} du + \int \frac{u^2-1}{u^4+1} du[/tex]

[tex]= \int \frac{1+\frac{1}{u^2}}{u^2+\frac{1}{u^2}} du + \int \frac{1-\frac{1}{u^2}}{u^2+\frac{1}{u^2}} du[/tex]

[tex]= \int \frac{ d(u-\frac{1}{u})}{ (u-\frac{1}{u})^2 +2} du + \int \frac{ d(u+\frac{1}{u})}{ (u+\frac{1}{u})^2 -2} du[/tex]
 
Gib Z said:
There is;

[tex]\int \frac{2u^2}{u^4+1} du = \int \frac{u^2+1}{u^4+1} du + \int \frac{u^2-1}{u^4+1} du[/tex]

[tex]= \int \frac{1+\frac{1}{u^2}}{u^2+\frac{1}{u^2}} du + \int \frac{1-\frac{1}{u^2}}{u^2+\frac{1}{u^2}} du[/tex]

[tex]= \int \frac{ d(u-\frac{1}{u})}{ (u-\frac{1}{u})^2 +2} du + \int \frac{ d(u+\frac{1}{u})}{ (u+\frac{1}{u})^2 -2} du[/tex]
I'm sorry, but I don't see exactly how that helps. :confused:
 
The remaining integrals are of forms which are generally considered standard integrals;

[tex]\int \frac{dx}{x^2+a^2} = \frac{1}{a} \tan^{-1} \frac{x}{a} + C[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{dx}{x^2-a^2} = \frac{1}{2a} \log_e \left( \frac{x-a}{x+a}\right) + C[/tex]
 
But how do I deal with the [itex]d\left(u-\frac{1}{u}\right)[/itex] and [itex]d\left(u+\frac{1}{u}\right)[/itex] in the numerators of the integrals?
 
Substitution: put z = u-1/u in the first integral and z = u+1/u in the second integral
 
murshid_islam - Just to be clear, the trailing [itex]du[/itex] in Gib Z's brillant integrals should be deleted. The form of the integrals are really

[tex]\int \frac{2u^2}{u^4+1} du = \int \frac{ d(u-\frac{1}{u})}{ (u-\frac{1}{u})^2 +2} + \int \frac{ d(u+\frac{1}{u})}{ (u+\frac{1}{u})^2 -2}[/tex]

Do you now understand how the substitution gets to the integral forms in his second post?
 
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TheoMcCloskey said:
murshid_islam - Just to be clear, the trailing [itex]du[/itex] in Gib Z's brillant integrals should be deleted.
Thanks a lot. Now everything is clear to me.


TheoMcCloskey said:
Do you now understand how the substitution gets to the integral forms in his second post?
Oh yes, now I understand.
 
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Argh! All that latex code makes me forget what I'm actually typing and it's just instict to jab a du in there after an integral! Sorry murshid_islam!
 

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