Is there an alternative to evolution?

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The discussion centers on the question of whether there are viable alternatives to the theory of evolution, particularly in the context of biological diversity. Participants explore historical and contemporary perspectives on evolution, its acceptance among biologists, and the nature of alternative hypotheses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that there is no viable alternative to evolution, emphasizing that it is an observed phenomenon akin to gravity.
  • Others mention historical alternatives like Lamarckism and Lysenkoism, noting that while these are alternatives to Darwinism, they still relate to the concept of evolution.
  • It is proposed that the theory of evolution has evolved itself, incorporating additional mechanisms such as genetic drift and mutation beyond natural selection.
  • Some participants argue that while evolution is widely accepted among biologists, there are individuals who may reject it, often aligning with pseudoscientific views like Intelligent Design.
  • A distinction is made between the facts of evolution and the theories explaining those facts, with some noting the confusion that arises from this dual usage of the term "evolution."
  • One participant highlights that Intelligent Design is not considered a scientific theory due to its lack of falsifiability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that evolution is widely accepted among biologists and that there are no viable alternatives to the theory itself. However, multiple competing views exist regarding the nature of evolution and its historical alternatives, leading to an unresolved discussion on the topic.

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Participants note that the understanding of evolution includes various mechanisms and that the terminology can lead to confusion regarding what is being discussed—whether it is the observed facts or the theoretical frameworks.

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hey folks,

i'm just curious. are there any biologists who don't accept the theory of evolution? if yes, how do they scientifically explain the diversity of species (other than believing in Intelligent Designing stuff)?

cheers
 
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There really is no viable alternative to evolution. Evolution isn't just a theory, it is an observed phenomena. So it is like asking if there is an alternative to gravity. Evolution, the theory, is based on evolution, the observed phenomena. So while there is still quite a bit of room to figure out exactly how evolution, the theory works, the fact of the matter is that evolution, the observed phenomena exists. If you replace the word "evolution" with the word "gravity" in that sentence, it works the same...
 
There have been alternative hypotheses in the history of science. Look up Lamarckism and Lysenkoism for two particularly notorious examples.
 
I think its also reasonable to state that "The Theory of Evolution" has also evolved- how traits are passed down, what traits are selected, how traits are selected, etc.
 
There really is no viable alternative to the theory of evolution itself. With that said, there is definatly room for development in the theory of evolution. Evolution is an observed fact, falsifiable and testable to a certian degree (microevolution of bacteria, for instance). I think the only "alternatives" might be within the theory itself, not the fact of it. Abiogensis, which is not evolution, is not fully understood and many new theories explaining it may arise in the future.

And, for your first question.. no, biologists all accept evolution. There are, however, a few psudo-scientists who might call themselves a biologist and not accept evolution. These are generally ID proponents.

"Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution." - Theodosius Dobzhanky
 
The theory of evolution in this century is now actually a series of theories (called the sinthetic theory of evolution). This theory is an alternative to evolution as Darwin thought of it as it has other forces of speciation (change in genetic frequencies that lead to new species) a part from natural selection which was the only force proposed by Darwin; Some of these forces include genetic drift, endogamy, gene flow and mutation.

It is true however, that even though Darwin did not mention these forces there is no logical way to prove that these are independent of natural selection; ie. Are not in some way controlled by it.

More information on the Synthetic theory of evolution http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/default.htm"
 
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Cincinnatus said:
There have been alternative hypotheses in the history of science. Look up Lamarckism and Lysenkoism for two particularly notorious examples.

While these may be alternatives to Darwinism, they are still theories that deal with the concept of evolution. Therefore they wouldn't be an alternative to the theory of evolution.

AFAIK, there is none except creationism...or perhaps some weird cultish type of theory involving aliens or something. :wink:
 
BoomBoom said:
While these may be alternatives to Darwinism, they are still theories that deal with the concept of evolution. Therefore they wouldn't be an alternative to the theory of evolution.

AFAIK, there is none except creationism...or perhaps some weird cultish type of theory involving aliens or something. :wink:

fair enough. I thought it was fairly clear that the original poster was referring to evolution by natural selection (Darwin-inspired)
 
There have already been several posts pointing out the fact that "evolution" refers both to a bunch of facts and the theory used to explain those facts. It is confusing, but once you are aware of the confusion you can usually figure out from context if someone is talking about the theory or the facts.

physlad said:
how do they scientifically explain the diversity of species (other than believing in Intelligent Designing stuff)
Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory because it is not falsifiable.
 

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