Is There an Easier Proof for Proving Irreducibility of Polynomials?

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The discussion revolves around the irreducibility of polynomials, specifically focusing on the polynomial \(X^5 - 8\) and more generally \(X^n - a\) for prime \(n\). Participants explore various methods of proving irreducibility over the rationals, including Eisenstein's criterion and Galois theory, while seeking simpler proofs suitable for an algebra course lacking advanced topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have proved that \(X^n - a\) is irreducible over the rationals if it has no rational root, but acknowledges uncertainty due to reliance on Galois theory.
  • Another participant challenges the generality of the first claim by providing a counterexample with \(x^4 - 4\), which has no rational root but is reducible.
  • A third participant offers a detailed argument for the irreducibility of \(x^5 - 8\) using roots of unity and properties of polynomial factors, concluding that any supposed irreducible factor would lead to contradictions regarding rationality.
  • A later post clarifies that the focus is on \(x^n - a\) where \(n\) is prime, suggesting a more specific context for the discussion.
  • Another participant mentions that for \(x^5 - 8\) or \(x^p - n^k\), the irreducibility can be shown using field extensions and Eisenstein's criterion, provided \(n\) is not a \(p\)th root.

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Participants express differing views on the generality of irreducibility claims, with some asserting specific cases and others providing counterexamples. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of a simpler proof for irreducibility without advanced concepts.

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Limitations include the reliance on Galois theory and Eisenstein's criterion, which may not be accessible in the teaching context mentioned. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the conditions under which irreducibility claims hold.

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im teeching algebra and had to prove that X^5 - 8 was irreducible over the rationals. so i did it using eisenstein.

then more generally i seem to have proved that X^n - a is irreducible over the rationals whenever it has no rational root.


but i used galois theory, and the course I am teching does not have that in it.

is there an easier proof? I am a rookie at this stuff.

thanks

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That doesn't seem to be true in general, x^4-4=(x^2-2)(x^2+2), but it has no rational root.
 
[tex]x^5-8 = \prod _{k=1}^5(x-\alpha\xi ^k)[/tex]

where [itex]\xi[/itex] is one of the non-real fifth-roots of unity, and [itex]\alpha[/itex] is the real fifth-root of 8. It's clear that this polynomial isn't reducible over the rationals into a product of linear factors, so if it were reducible over the rationals, it would have an irreducible-over-Q factor which would be a product of 2, 3, or 4 of the [itex](x-\alpha\xi ^k)[/itex]. The constant term of this irreducible factor would have a constant term of the form [itex]\pm\alpha ^j \xi ^{k_1 + \dots + k_j}[/itex] where j is 2, 3, or 4, and the ki are in {1,2,3,4,5}. If [itex]\alpha ^j[/itex] is rational, then so is [itex]\alpha ^{gcd(5,j)} = \alpha[/itex]. It's easy to prove this false, in a similar manner that we prove 21/2 is irrational. So [itex]\alpha ^j[/itex] is irrational, hence so is [itex]\pm\alpha ^j\xi ^{k_1 + \dots + k_j}[/itex], and so this factor which was supposedly an irreducible polynomial over Q is not a polynomial over Q at all, so there is no such factor, and so the original polynomial is indeed irreducible over Q.
 
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sorry, i meant x^n -a where n is prime.
 
x^5 -8 or x^p - n^k is easy since the field generated by a root is contained in Q[n^(1/p)] which has degree p by eisenstein if n is not a pth root. so Q[(n^k/p)] is a subfield of a field of prime degree, hence either the root is already in Q or the field is of degree p also.
 

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