Is there an easy way to prove

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The discussion revolves around the proof concerning the sum of a rational number and an irrational number, specifically whether this sum can be rational or irrational. The subject area pertains to number theory and properties of rational and irrational numbers.

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  • Participants explore the validity of proving that the sum of a rational and an irrational number is irrational. Some suggest using specific examples, while others emphasize the need for a general proof applicable to all cases. There are discussions about using contradiction and the implications of assuming different forms for the numbers involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the original poster's understanding of proof requirements. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the proof, while others are clarifying the statement that needs to be proven. Multiple interpretations of the original question are being explored, indicating a productive dialogue.

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There is an emphasis on the need for a proof that holds true for all values, as opposed to specific examples. Participants are also addressing potential misunderstandings regarding the nature of rational and irrational numbers.

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Is there an easy way to prove...

that a rational number + an irrational number is either rational or irrational?

Just pick 2 elements and show that it the sum is rational and irrational?
 
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tronter said:
that a rational number + an irrational number is either rational or irrational?

Just pick 2 elements and show that it the sum is rational and irrational?

That's not a proof, as I explained to you before. A proof must hold true for ALL values, not just one or two.

You need to show some work in the HW forum. What have you tried?
 


Let [tex]x = \frac{p}{q}[/tex] and [tex]y[/tex] be an irrational number. Then show that this sum leads to a form [tex]p/q[/tex] or that it cannot be expressed in that form?

Or do a contradiction (e.g. assume that it is neither irrational nor rational)?
 


tronter said:
that a rational number + an irrational number is either rational or irrational?
Any real number is either rational or irrational, so what's the point of the statement you are trying to prove?
 


I think the OP meant prove that the sum of an irrational and rational number must be irrational but wasn't sure whether the result should be "is irrational" or "is rational".

Of course, if m is rational and x is irrational, then x+ m= n with n rational leads immediately to x= m-n, a contradiction.
 

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