Is there really nothing faster than light?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether anything can travel faster than light, particularly in the context of Einstein's theory of relativity and the implications of the Big Bang theory. Participants explore the apparent contradictions between the speed of stars and the expansion of the universe, touching on theoretical physics concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Sven Dahlhaus questions the validity of Einstein's theory, suggesting that if stars can move at 15 million kilometers per hour, then matter must be able to exceed the speed of light.
  • Some participants clarify that the speed of light is approximately 299,792 kilometers per second, significantly faster than the speeds mentioned by Sven.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the Big Bang, with some participants explaining that it was an inflation of spacetime rather than an explosion of mass, which may allow for the universe's rapid expansion without violating the speed of light limit.
  • One participant uses an analogy involving a boat and a river current to illustrate how spacetime expansion can carry matter without it exceeding the speed of light.
  • Another participant mentions that the limit of the speed of light applies to objects traveling within spacetime, but spacetime itself can expand faster than light.
  • Some participants point out common misconceptions about the Big Bang and the nature of cosmic expansion, emphasizing that the universe grows larger by the expansion of space itself.
  • There are corrections regarding the arithmetic and terminology used by participants, but no consensus is reached on the implications of these discussions for Einstein's theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Einstein's theory and the implications of the Big Bang. There is no consensus on whether the observations of star speeds and cosmic expansion contradict the theory of relativity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of precise definitions and units when discussing speeds and distances, indicating that misunderstandings may arise from miscalculations or terminology. The discussion also reflects the complexity of concepts in curved spacetime and their implications for understanding motion and speed.

  • #31
bob012345 said:
It seems fast to our everyday experience but I have always been struck by how slow the speed of light is in comparison to the scale of the universe. Or on the scale of the laboratory when accurate time bases might be required across a room when lightspeed is only ~30 cm/ns.
Or in relation to modern computing: the PC I am typing this on has 6 cores each of which can multiply a 64 bit float in the time it takes light to reach my eyes from the screen.
 
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  • #32
hmmm27 said:
So why is it "space is expanding", not "everything is shrinking" ?
I know this isn't a serious question but still:
Occam's Razor is pretty useful here.

In the 'space is expanding' scenario, only one thing need change: spacetime.
In the 'everything is shrinking' scenario, multiple things must change - not just matter but also the speed of light.
 
  • #33
Dale said:
What is the experimental distinction between the two?
Is there one ? (doable with current knowledge)
 
  • #34
pbuk said:
I am typing this on has 6 cores each of which can multiply a 64 bit float in the time it takes light to reach my eyes from the screen.

Don't sit so close to the screen. It's bad for your eyes.
 
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  • #35
Vanadium 50 said:
Don't sit so close to the screen. It's bad for your eyes.
Yes you are right, I had in my head that FMUL was 5 cycles but it's only 4, and again I was thinking 2.5GHz for about 2' from the screen but my new beast is much faster than that.
 
  • #36
hmmm27 said:
Is there one ? (doable with current knowledge)
There isn’t, which is why the question is pointless. It is a distinction without a difference.
 
  • #37
hmmm27 said:
Our what ?

Might want to check your reference for the speed of light : it's considerably faster than a measly 15M km per hour.
The speed of light is 300,000 Km/sec
 
  • #38
Dale said:
There isn’t, which is why the question is pointless. It is a distinction without a difference.
WEl, it's not that there isn;t
Keldude said:
The speed of light is 300,000 Km/sec
Perhaps you missed @hmmm27's post here?
 
  • #39
hmmm27 said:
1,080,000,000 > 15,000,000

Still, 13% of the speed of light is scary fast.
15,000,000 is 1.4 percent of 1,080,000,000
 
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  • #40
jbriggs444 said:
15,000,000 is 1.4 percent of 1,080,000,000
:eek:Still scary fast. Thanks.
 
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  • #41
PeroK said:
Your English is fine. It's your arithmetic that's bad!
“Your calculations are correct, but your physics is atrocious.” Einstein to Lemaître.
 
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