Is this a Gödel number of a Turing machine?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a specific large number can be considered a Gödel number of a Turing machine. Participants explore the implications of the number's prime factorization and its relation to Turing machine coding, while also questioning the standards used in such representations.

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  • One participant presents a large number and its prime factorization, suggesting it may represent a Gödel number of a Turing machine.
  • The same participant outlines a mathematical form for the Gödel number and provides a table of values related to the factorization.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the original question, noting that there are multiple methods for coding Turing machines and that the provided table may not conform to standard practices.
  • A later post expresses curiosity about how to derive the corresponding Turing table if the number is indeed a Gödel number.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the number is a Gödel number of a Turing machine. There are competing views regarding the standards for Turing machine coding and the interpretation of the provided data.

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The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the coding of Turing machines, as well as the non-standard nature of the table presented by the first participant.

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Hey! :o

We have the number \begin{align*}70&6737922567786324304462189150536772513339293263220644
\\ &=2^2\cdot 3\cdot 59^5\cdot 103\cdot 149^2\cdot 353\cdot 607\cdot 823^4\cdot 1409\cdot 1873^2\cdot 4201^3\end{align*}

I want to check if this is a Gödel number of a Turing machine.



From the prime factorization we have that $m=2$ and $k=1$.

The Gödel number is then of the form \begin{align*}G&=p_1^mp_2^k\prod_{i=1}^{(k+1)(m+1)}\prod_{j=3}^4p^{c_{ij}}_{\sigma_2(i,j)} \\ & = p_1^2p_2\prod_{i=1}^{2\cdot 3}\prod_{j=3}^4p^{c_{ij}}_{\sigma_2(i,j)} \\ & = p_1^2p_2\prod_{i=1}^6\prod_{j=3}^4p^{c_{ij}}_{\sigma_2(i,j)}\end{align*}

We have the following table:

$$(i,j) \ \ \ \sigma_2 \ \ \ P\sigma_2 \\
(1,3) \ \ \ 13 \ \ \ 41 \\
(1,4) \ \ \ 17 \ \ \ 59 \\
(2,3) \ \ \ 27 \ \ \ 103 \\
(2,4) \ \ \ 35 \ \ \ 149 \\
(3,3) \ \ \ 55 \ \ \ 257 \\
(3,4) \ \ \ 71 \ \ \ 353 \\
(4,3) \ \ \ 111 \ \ \ 607 \\
(4,4) \ \ \ 143 \ \ \ 823 \\
(5,3) \ \ \ 223 \ \ \ 1409 \\
(5,4) \ \ \ 287 \ \ \ 1873 \\
(6,3) \ \ \ 447 \ \ \ 3163 \\
(6,4) \ \ \ 575 \ \ \ 4201 $$ All the prime numbers of the factorization are in the table. Does this mean that the given number is the Gödel number of a Turing machine? Or do we have to check also something else? (Wondering)
 
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Your question makes little sense to someone unfamiliar with how Turing machines are coded as numbers in your course. You probably realize that there are dozens of ways to do it. Even the table does not look as standard Turing machine instructions.
 

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If this is a Gödel number, how can we determine the corresponding Turing table? (Wondering)
 

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