Is this a Trigonometric Identity?

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The discussion revolves around the equation ##\cos^2 \gamma = \cos^2 \alpha \cdot \cos^2 \beta##, which some participants consider a trigonometric identity. The context includes geometric interpretations involving angles and distances, with references to figures and calculations related to triangles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation as a trigonometric identity but expresses uncertainty about its validity without further context on the angles involved.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for clarification on the definitions of angles ##\alpha##, ##\beta##, and ##\gamma## to proceed with the discussion.
  • Participants provide geometric interpretations and calculations involving the angles, with one suggesting that setting a distance simplifies the equations.
  • Multiple calculations are presented, with some participants reporting discrepancies in their results for ##\cos(\beta)## and ##\cos(\gamma)##, indicating potential errors in assumptions or calculations.
  • Several participants engage in deriving the identity using the law of cosines and Pythagorean theorem, with varying degrees of success and understanding.
  • Concerns are raised about the circularity of using the law of cosines to prove the identity, with differing opinions on whether the approach is valid.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the derivation and acknowledges missing elements in their reasoning.
  • Another participant ultimately claims to have successfully proven the identity, although the consensus on the validity of the identity remains unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the equation as a trigonometric identity. There are multiple competing views and ongoing debates regarding the calculations and assumptions made throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their calculations depend on specific assumptions about the angles and the geometric configurations, which may not hold in all cases. There are unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the relationships between the angles.

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I have encountered this equation:

##\cos^2 \gamma = \cos^2 \alpha \cdot \cos^2 \beta##

According to the paper, this is a trigonometric identity, but this is the first time I have encountered this. The angles ##\alpha## and ##\beta## are somewhat similar to the components of the distance formula, and ##\gamma## is the resultant distance.
 
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There's nothing we can do to help you if you don't tell us what ##\alpha##, ##\beta## and ##\gamma## are.
 
I apologize. Here is a figure to help you what the angles are:

geo_cond01.png

The angles ##\alpha## and ##\beta## are the angles ##X## and ##Y##, respectively, in this figure. Whereas,

geo_cond02.png


the angle ##\gamma## is the angle ##\theta## for this figure.
 
SM is orthogonal to MO and MP?

Set the distance (SM) to 1 - this simplifies equations but doesn't change the general case.

I don't understand the second sketch, let A be the point where the side between x and y hits the plane shown in the first sketch. Then (MA) = tan(x) and (AP) = tan(y)/cos(x) and ##\sqrt{(MA)^2 + (AP)^2}## = (MP) = tan(##\gamma##). See if that simplifies to the equation you have.
 
If I understood you right then all three angles are those at the top of the pyramide. My calculation with ##\overline{MS} = H = 1## and both sides ##= \frac{1}{2}## of the rectangle in the plane with ##M## and ##P## gave me:
$$\cos α = \frac{2}{\sqrt{5}} \;,\; \cos β = \frac{9}{10} \;,\; \cos γ = \frac{3}{4}$$
which fails the given equation.
 
Something went wrong in your calculation then, because the equation is right - at least with the assumptions I made in my post.

I get a different result for ##\cos(\beta)## and ##\cos(\gamma)##.
 
mfb said:
Something went wrong in your calculation then, because the equation is right - at least with the assumptions I made in my post.

I get a different result for ##\cos(\beta)## and ##\cos(\gamma)##.
Yes, I found my mistake: wrong assumption on the triangle with β. But the general case still gives me some headache.
 
I calculated the approach I suggested, it leads to the identity in post 1 within a few lines.
 
mfb said:
I calculated the approach I suggested, it leads to the identity in post 1 within a few lines.
Got it. I didn't understand your equation for ##(AP)## but the law of cosines with some Pythagoras did the job.
 
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1/cos(x) is the length of the side where the angle beta is. No magic involved.
 
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mfb said:
1/cos(x) is the length of the side where the angle beta is. No magic involved.
Sure. I meant the tan(y)-part. But I didn't really try, since the cosine law did it. After my first false assumption on height and bisection of this triangle, I picked the obvious formula.
 
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I tried simplifying this equation:

\begin{eqnarray*}
\overline{MA}^2 + \overline{AP}^2 &=& \overline{MP}^2 \\
\tan^2 x + \frac{\tan^2 y}{\cos^2 x} &=& \tan^2 \theta \\
\cos^2 x \tan^2 x + \tan^2 y &=& \cos^2 x \tan^2 \theta \\
\sin^2 x + \tan^2 y &=& \cos^2 x \tan^2 \theta
\end{eqnarray*}

I am already stuck here... I'm not really good at this, I'm sorry.
 
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Use ##\sin^2(x) = 1-\cos^2(x)## to get rid of all sines (also those hidden in the tangents). To simplify the expressions, it is useful to introduce new variables like ##\cos^2(x)=a##, ##\cos^2(y)=b##, ##\cos^2(\theta)=c##.
 
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I still don't have the ##\overline{AP}## part, but I can show you my approach.

##\cos x = \frac{\overline{SM}}{\overline{AS}} \; , \; \cos θ = \frac{\overline{SM}}{\overline{SP}}## so we have to show that ##\cos y = \frac{\overline{AS}}{\overline{SP}}##.

The law of cosine here is $$\cos y = \frac{\overline{AP}^2-\overline{AS}^2-\overline{SP}^2}{-2 \cdot \overline{AS} \cdot \overline{SP}}.$$
With the Pythagoras ##\overline{AP}^2 = \overline{MP}^2 - \overline{AM}^2## and ##\overline{MP}^2 = \overline{SP}^2-\overline{SM}^2## and ##\overline{AM}^2 = \overline{AS}^2 - \overline{SM}^2## the result follows.

Modulo me haven't made any typos.
 
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Wait, isn't that circular? You use the law of cosines to prove that cos y is indeed the ratio of two angles in the triangle.

Actually, the three cosine definitions are sufficient to show the identity. The whole problem can be solved in two lines.
 
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mfb said:
Wait, isn't that circular?
I don't think so. Basically I show that the law of cosine is equivalent to the statement that has to be proven. I simply convert all angles to (relations of) straight lines from ##S.## Pythagoras only substitutes variables and for the cosines of ##x## and ##θ## I use their definitions.
Actually, the three cosine definitions are sufficient to show the identity. The whole problem can be solved in two lines.
I believe you but I can't see it. Probably it will be embarrassing as soon as I understood your solution. I am already stuck at ##\overline{AP} = \frac{\tan y}{\cos x}.##

Edit: But it is right that it is somehow suspicious that I don't need the squares.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Basically I show that the law of cosine is equivalent to the statement that has to be proven.
The derivation works for any M, and does not include the other angles at all. It is just a very complicated way to simplify the law of cosines for a rectangular triangle involving additional irrelevant steps.

fresh_42 said:
I believe you but I can't see it. Probably it will be embarrassing as soon as I understood your solution.
Draw the triangle SMA, with a right angle at M. Then (SM) = (SA) cos x.
Draw the triangle SAP, with a right angle at A. Then (SA) = (SP) cos y.
Draw the triangle SMP, with a right angle at M. Then (SM) = (SP) cos ##\theta##.

This is assuming x,y,##\theta < \frac{\pi}{2}##, otherwise you cannot have the right triangles. Larger angles just lead to sign flips, squaring the cosines gets rid of those details.
 
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Thanks, the right angle at ##A## in ##SAP## was what I was missing. I told you it would be embarrassing.
 
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The equation for the cosine would be wrong otherwise - it works exactly if the angle at A in SAP is a right one.

The right angle can be derived from the two right angles at M (in SMA and SMP) and the right angle at A in MAP, so it is nothing you have to plug in manually.
 
  • #21
Thank you very much for your help. I have successfully proven the identity.
 

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