Is this alternating series convergent?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of an alternating series, specifically one that is represented in a non-standard form. Participants are trying to determine whether the series converges or diverges and are exploring the implications of its structure.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to rewrite the series and are questioning the validity of their transformations. There is uncertainty about which convergence tests to apply, and some are exploring the definition of convergence through subsequences.

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Several participants have provided insights and clarifications regarding the series' structure and potential tests for convergence. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of rewriting the series and the nature of its convergence, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Some participants express confusion over the manipulation of the series and the implications of its terms, indicating a need for further clarification on the definitions and properties of convergent series.

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Homework Statement



series converge?

DL the img, sry, can't type it.
http://www.geocities.com/chessobeyer/math.bmp

what's the sum if converge?

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none.

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alternating series, but it's (-2)
 

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Are you saying it converges, or diverge?
 
quasar987 said:
Are you saying it converges, or diverge?

I don't know where to start, I didn't know what test to use?

Can u give me a hint of which test to use?
 
Based on what you said, I assume that you already understood that the series can be rewritten as

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}2(-1)^{n}[/tex]

??

I don't see which test can be used on this. But you can fall back on the very definition of convergence: A series converge if the sequence of the partial sums converge. But if you find two subsequences that converge to different values, then the sequence itself diverges. Can you find those subsequences?
 
quasar987 said:
Based on what you said, I assume that you already understood that the series can be rewritten as

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}2(-1)^{n}[/tex]

??

I don't see which test can be used on this. But you can fall back on the very definition of convergence: A series converge if the sequence of the partial sums converge. But if you find two subsequences that converge to different values, then the sequence itself diverges. Can you find those subsequences?

thx, that helps a lot, so the alternating series?

Can u factor out the 2? r u sure that can be done?i don't understand
 
I got the series diverge, because the 2 cancels and it left with [tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^{n}[/tex]

is it right?

thx for ur help
 
Ah, there is a test you can use! And it's the easiest. If [itex]\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} a_n\neq 0[/itex], then the series [itex]\sum a_n[/itex] diverges.
 
Thanks for your help. But I still don't understand how can did u rewrite the series... to this [tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}2(-1)^{n}[/tex]

Sorry, I am a bit of slow, Please Explain more, Thank You!
 
Ok, here is how.

[tex]\frac{(-2)^{n+1}}{2^n}=\frac{(-2)(-2)^n}{2^n}=(-2)\left(\frac{(-2)}{2}\right)^n=(-2)(-1)^n=2(-1)^{n+1}[/tex]

Thus,

[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-2)^{n+1}}{2^n}=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}2(-1)^{n+1}=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}2(-1)^{n}[/tex]
 
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quasar987 said:
Ok, here is how.

[tex]\frac{(-2)^{n+1}}{2^n}=\frac{(-2)(-2)^n}{2^n}=(-2)\left(\frac{(-2)}{2}\right)^n=(-2)(-1)^n=2(-1)^{n+1}[/tex]

Thus,

[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-2)^{n+1}}{2^n}=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}2(-1)^{n+1}=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}2(-1)^{n}[/tex]

catching the bump up in the index is tricky. notice that the series now starts at n=1.
 
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Thank you very much, this helps a lot.

So the series converge, the sum is either 0 or -2, depends if it's even or odd, right?
 
  • #12
chesshaha said:
Thank you very much, this helps a lot.

So the series converge, the sum is either 0 or -2, depends if it's even or odd, right?

A series cannot converge to two limits. That sort of behavior is called 'divergent'.
 
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o yea, thanks.
 
  • #14
Dick said:
A series cannot converge to two limits. That sort of behavior is called 'divergent'.

Ahh I think a more appropriate word would have been is oscillating =]
 
  • #15
Gib Z said:
Ahh I think a more appropriate word would have been is oscillating =]

Right. And the sum of i from i=0 to infinity could more accurately be said to 'increase without bound' rather than diverge. :smile:
 
  • #16
Taking out the factor of 2, partial sums gives : -1, 0, -1,0,-1... So it is bounded...
 

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