IS this coincidence? Integral adn summation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between summation and integration, specifically examining the highest power terms in polynomial sums and their connection to the integral of power functions. Participants consider whether the similarities observed are coincidental or indicative of a deeper mathematical relationship.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the sum of integers and powers of integers has a highest power term that follows a specific pattern, suggesting a relationship to integration.
  • One participant questions if the integral of x^k, which yields a highest power term of x^(k+1), is merely a coincidence in light of the summation results.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Bernoulli polynomials as a method to derive closed-form solutions for sums of powers.
  • A participant discusses the finite difference approach, suggesting that the difference between sums resembles the derivative, drawing a parallel to integration.
  • There is a suggestion to explore further analogies between sums of series and integrals through specific formulas for series involving products of integers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between summation and integration, with no consensus reached on whether the observed patterns are coincidental or indicative of a deeper connection.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of summation and integration, as well as the definitions of terms like "finite differences," which may not be universally understood.

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The sum of 1 + 2 + 3...n = n(n+1) / 2 - highest power term is n^2
sum of 1^2 + 2^2 + 3^2...n^2 - n(n+1)(2n+1) / 6 - highest power term is n^3
sum of 1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3...n^3 - it has highest power term of n^4
similarly 1^k +2^k ...n^k - it has highest power term of n^(k+1)

Is it a coincidence that ∫x^k dx = x^(k+1) / (k+1) - power is k+1 ?
 
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Do you understand how the Reimann integral is derived? (i.e. its relationship to summation)
 
jd12345 said:
The sum of 1 + 2 + 3...n = n(n+1) / 2 - highest power term is n^2
sum of 1^2 + 2^2 + 3^2...n^2 - n(n+1)(2n+1) / 6 - highest power term is n^3
sum of 1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3...n^3 - it has highest power term of n^4
similarly 1^k +2^k ...n^k - it has highest power term of n^(k+1)

Is it a coincidence that ∫x^k dx = x^(k+1) / (k+1) - power is k+1 ?

Hey jd12345.

For the summation part there is a formula for a finite n which is known as the Bernoulli polynomials that basically allow you to derive the closed form solution for x^p where p >= 0 and p is a integer and x ranges from 1 to n.
 
jd12345 said:
similarly 1^k +2^k ...n^k - it has highest power term of n^(k+1)

Suppose [itex]F(n) = \sum_{i=1}^n f(n)[/itex]

then [itex]F(n+1) - F(n) = f(n+1)[/itex]

Denote [itex]F(n+1) - F(n)[/itex] by [itex]\triangle F(n)[/itex].

Then [itex]\triangle F(n)[/itex] resembles a finite version of the derivative of [itex]F(x)[/itex]

To sum [itex]f(n)[/itex] you must solve [itex]\triangle F(n) = f(n+1)[/itex] for [itex]F(n)[/itex]. i.e. you must find the anti-[itex]\triangle[/itex] of f(n+1). So this resembles integration.

The study of stuff like this is called "The Calculus Of Finite Differences". (George Boole himself wrote an interesting book about it.)
 
Ok - thanks Stephen
 
Incidentally, if you want to see neater analogy between sums of series and integrals, find the formulas for
1 + 2 + 3 + ...
1.2 + 2.3 + 3.4 + ...
1.2.3 + 2.3.4 + 3.4.5 + ...
Or in general
$$\sum_{n=0}^N \frac{(n+k)!}{ n!}$$
for k = 1, 2, 3, ...
 

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