Is This Field Extension Galois?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether a certain field extension, formed by adjoining a finite set of complex numbers to a subfield of the complex numbers, is a Galois extension. Participants explore definitions and properties related to Galois extensions, including normality, separability, and algebraic elements.

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  • One participant claims that if the elements of a finite set X are permuted by any automorphism of the complex numbers that fixes a subfield K, then the field extension obtained by adjoining X to K is a Galois extension.
  • Another participant suggests that showing the extension is normal is straightforward and hints at using polynomials with roots to demonstrate this.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need to show that every element of X is algebraic over K, arguing that if any element was not algebraic, it would lead to an infinite set of automorphisms, contradicting the finiteness of the extension.
  • One participant outlines a reasoning process to demonstrate that the extension is finite, separable, and normal, noting the ability to extend automorphisms from K to the complex numbers.
  • Another participant challenges a specific claim about extending automorphisms based on permutations of a basis, stating that such extensions do not generally hold.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of certain claims regarding the extension of automorphisms and the implications of finiteness. The discussion contains both supportive and critical responses, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus.

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Participants reference the definitions of Galois extensions and the properties of field extensions, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the elements in X and the implications of the automorphisms discussed.

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The claim is:

Let K be a subfield of the complex numbers, and let X be a finite set of complex numbers. If the elements of X are permuted by any automorphism of the complex numbers that fixes K, then the field obtained by adjoining the elements of X to K is a finite, Galois extension of K.

The definitions of Galois extension that I have learned do not seem to yield an easy proof. Any ideas?
 
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What definition are you using? Show that this extension is normal is really not so bad. (hint: start with any polynomial which has a root, and find an automorphism taking it to other roots...)
 
First, you need to show that every element of X is algebraic over K.
if x was not algebraic over K, then there would be an automorphism taking it to x+a (any a in K), so X would have to contain {x+a:a in K}, which is infinite.
 
Ah, I believe it makes sense now...

1. The extension is finite for otherwise there would be an infinite number of automorphisms of K(X) that fix K (Correct me if I'm wrong, but one way to see this would be to pick a basis for K(X) over K, and then determine an automorphism by specifying a permutation of the basis and extending that to K(X) by "linearity"). Extending these to [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex], we would have an infinite number of automorphisms of [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex] that fix K and all act differently on K(X), which is a contradiction.
2. The extension is separable as K is perfect (characteristic 0)
3. (Normality) If f is an irreducible polynomial with coefficients in K and a root in K(X), we can construct an automorphism of the complex numbers that fixes K and maps that root to any other root of f. Then, by assumption, it follows that all the roots of f lie in K(X).

Let [tex]\alpha[/tex] be the root of f in K(X) and let [tex]\beta[/tex] be another root of f (not necessarily in K(X)). To construct such an automorphism, we could, for instance, start by extending the identity on K to an isomorphism of [tex]K(\alpha)[/tex] and [tex]K(\beta)[/tex] which maps [tex]\alpha[/tex] to [tex]\beta[/tex], extend that iso. to an automorphism of the splitting field of f, and then extend that to an automorphism of [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex]

I was unaware that we could extend any automorphism of a subfield of [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex] to an automorphism of [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex]; that seemed to be what was holding me back. Thanks for the suggestions.
 
Yes - except for this bit
thomtyrrell said:
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but one way to see this would be to pick a basis for K(X) over K, and then determine an automorphism by specifying a permutation of the basis and extending that to K(X) by "linearity").

Permutations of a basis set do not extend to automorphisms in many (most) cases.
If K->K(X) was infinite, then K->K(x) would be infinite for some x in X. Then see my previous post to contruct an infinite number of automorphisms of K(x) fixing K.
 
Indeed. Thanks again for your help.
 

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