Is this magnetic wormhole really a wormhole?

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The discussion revolves around the claims made in a recent article about the creation of an artificial wormhole for magnetic fields. Participants explore the nature of this phenomenon, questioning whether it truly represents a wormhole or if it is more akin to a metallic shield of a magnetic field. The conversation touches on theoretical implications, mathematical constructs, and the distinction between electromagnetic and gravitational wormholes.

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  • Some participants express skepticism about the claims of the article, suggesting that it may be overstating the significance of the findings.
  • Others clarify that the phenomenon appears to be an electromagnetic effect rather than a gravitational wormhole, involving the cloaking of magnetic fields through specific material arrangements.
  • A participant references related works by Greenleaf et al., noting that they discuss electromagnetic wormholes that allow waves to pass invisibly, which raises questions about the topology of space.
  • There is a discussion about whether the changes in topology mentioned in the context of electromagnetic wormholes are analogous to the effects of mass on spacetime in general relativity.
  • Some participants assert that the term "wormhole" may be used metaphorically and that the device functions more like an optical device rather than a true wormhole.
  • One participant mentions the Meissner effect and negative index metamaterials, suggesting that the device does not alter real space.
  • Another participant brings up historical context regarding topology and electric charge, indicating a need for deeper understanding of these concepts.

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Participants generally do not agree on whether the claims of the article are valid or if they represent a misunderstanding of the underlying physics. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature and implications of the phenomenon discussed.

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There are unresolved questions about the mathematical and physical implications of the claims, particularly regarding the change in topology and its significance. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and assumptions that have not been definitively settled.

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A new article http://www.nature.com/articles/srep12488 says a trio of experimenters have created the first artificial wormhole for magnetic fields. My reading of it sounds more like a metallic shield of a magnetic field. Is anyone else left with the feeling that the claims have been overstated, or am I just that ignorant of what they've really accomplished? I usually chalk something like this up to crackpots, or $$$ seekers, but this was published by the Nature people, who I always thought were legit.

Anyone care to educate me as to what I'm missing here?
Thanks.
 
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From a quick read of the abstract and introduction, this seems to be a purely Electro-magnetic phenomenon, and doesn't have anything to do with the gravitational wormholes that we usually mean when we use the word "wormhole". It sounds like what they are doing is taking a magnetic field, and then, by some complicated arrangement of materials of varying magnetic permeability properties, making a part of this field "disappear" (they use the word cloaked) in 3-D space. Thus there seems like there is a discontinuity between the source and the sample point where the magnetic field does not appear. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Thanks, Matterwave. That's what it seems to me too, but some words used make me think there may be more to it than that. The article mentioned some articles by Greenleaf et al, some of which I have downloaded and have taken a very brief look at. (Mostly it sent me to the inet looking up Neumann-Dirichlet mapping and the like. :-) What I found interesting was this:
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arXiv:0704.0914v1 [math.AP] 6 Apr 2007

Electromagnetic wormholes via handlebody constructions
Allan Greenleaf, Yaroslav Kurylev, Matti Lassas and Gunther Uhlmann

excerpt from the Abstract:

Here, we give related constructions of invisible tunnels, which allow electromagnetic waves to pass between possibly distant points, but with only the ends of the tunnels visible to electromagnetic imaging. Effectively, these change the topology of space with respect to solutions of Maxwell’s equations, corresponding to attaching a handlebody to R3. The resulting devices thus function as electromagnetic wormholes.
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That's way over my head, but the phrase that interested me was "change the topology of space". Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that kind of like what a mass is supposed to do to its neighboring spacetime? Or, is that just a change in the metric with the same topology?

I would think that, if this "wormhole" they've created really changed the topology of space (everything I've read indicate R3 rather than R4), that would be something really, really significant. But is that really what's happening, or is this just a really, really good mag shield? Or, is it just a mathematical convenience: they did say "with respect to solutions of Maxwell’s equations" and "corresponding to attaching a handlebody to R3".

Unfortunately, it's going to take me too long to learn all the background I need to read Greenleaf et al for me to understand this in any significant way. I was hoping someone here might have already traveled that road and could tell us if this is an actual, real change in space topology, or are they just being mathematically metaphorical?

Thanks,
Greg.

P.S. Stumbled on these, FWIW, while researching:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect

(I know some people don't trust Wikipedia or its fundamental concept, but I usually start with it as a quick intro, then search for .edu sites with classroom materials from bonafide professors. I never stop with Wiki as my one and only source.)
 
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(I know some people don't trust Wikipedia or its fundamental concept, but I usually start with it as a quick intro, then search for .edu sites with classroom materials from bonafide professors. I never stop with Wiki as my one and only source.)
Just to let you know, Wikipedia is a great source (and is rarely wrong with these topics), but as you said, it's good to confirm facts. I know that this is off-topic, just don't listen to the blabber about Wikipedia not being reliable.

And no, I don't believe this is a real wormhole.
 
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OK! Sometimes it just takes a lot of time to research. Here's what I found on a website linked from Allan Greenleaf's home page at
http://www.math.rochester.edu/people/faculty/allan/

At
http://www.rni.helsinki.fi/~mjl/invisibility_publications.html

"We emphasize that an artificial wormhole would work only for electromagnetic waves with a specified frequency. Moreover, the wormhole device is just an optical device similar to a lens; It would not be similar to space-time wormholes studied in general relativity."

So, looks like they just borrowed the word but aren't making the claims that it seemed on first glance. I'm still confused about the change in topology of the space, but I suspect that if I could dive into their books & papers, that too would become clear.

Anyway, if there's anyone here who's already made the dive, any insight you can provide will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg.
 
cloaking_transformation.jpg

cloaking_medium.jpg

meissner.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect

The meissner effect repulses the magnetic field it is a function of the YBCO while the Metamaterial Traps still transmitting the signal making it "Disappear" then when the affect ends at the end of the tunnel it "Reappears"
coverfig3.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_index_metamaterials

There is your answer it does nothing to real space
 
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FWIW: MTW p220-221, Box 8.5 "GEORG FRIEDRICH BERNHARD RIEMANN" excerpts: "...Riemann communicated to Betti his system of characterization of multiply-connected topologies (which opened the door to the view of electric charge as "lines of force trapped in the topology of space")..." and "A more detailed scrutiny of a surface might disclose that what we had considered an elementary piece in reality has tiny handles attached to it which change the connectivity character of the piece...".

I had mentioned earlier the phrase "change the topology of space" and I had also noticed (but I don't think I mentioned) that one of the papers mentioned "handles". So, I'm thinking that neither of these ideas are new to anyone but me. At least now I know that if I want to understand these ideas, I need to go back to the mid 1800's. Good to know I'm only a little more than a century & a half behind now.
 

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