Is this series convergent or divergent?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the convergence or divergence of the series \(\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^n n}{n+1}\). Participants explore various tests for convergence, including the alternating series test, root test, ratio test, and divergence test.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss applying the alternating series test and express uncertainty about the conditions for its use. There are attempts to apply the root and ratio tests, but these yield inconclusive results. The divergence test is also considered, with questions about justifying the limit of the series terms.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the behavior of the series terms as \(n\) approaches infinity, noting that the limit does not exist, which suggests divergence. Others are still grappling with the justification of their reasoning and exploring the implications of the alternating factor in the series.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on understanding the behavior of the sequence as \(n\) increases, particularly in relation to the alternating harmonic series, which serves as a point of comparison. Participants are also navigating the challenges of applying various convergence tests effectively.

GreenPrint
Messages
1,186
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Prove that

sigma[n=0,inf] ((-1)^n n)/(n+1)
diverges

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I'm unsure how to do this

I tried applying the alternating sereis test but when I did so I got
(n/(n+1))' = 1/(n+1)^2
so I can't say that the terms are non increasing and so the conditions are not meant for the alternating series test

I tried applying the root test and got an infinite loop of l hospital's rule (or however it's spelled) because of the square root so I couldn't come up with a conclusion based on that

I tried applying the ratio test and got r = 1 so the test was inconclusive

I don't know how to integrate something like ((-1)^n n)/(n+1)
so I concluded that the integral test was not going to work

Can I just simply say by the divergence test
lim n->inf ((-1)^n n)/(n+1) =/= 0
I'm having a hard time justifying that this is a true statement though...

I'm not experienced with applying comparison tests to alternating series...
thanks for any help
 
Physics news on Phys.org
GreenPrint said:
Can I just simply say by the divergence test
lim n->inf ((-1)^n n)/(n+1) =/= 0
I'm having a hard time justifying that this is a true statement though...
Yes, that's the simplest argument for why the series doesn't converge. Why are you having a hard time justifying the statement?
 
Well I'm just having a hard time stating why it's true, I thought maybe because the term (-1)^n is undefined so the limit does not equal zero, but it just seems very vague so I'm having a hard time just like proving it.
 
That term just causes the sign of the terms to alternate. It's not the reason why the series won't converge. For example, the alternating harmonic series [tex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^n}{n}[/tex] converges even though it contains that factor.

What's happening to the values of the sequence[tex]a_n = (-1)^n \frac{n}{n+1}[/tex] as n gets large? How does it behave differently than the terms in the alternating harmonic series?
 
the lim n->inf n/(n+1) = 1
while lim n-> inf 1/n approaches zero...

so I can say that the series diverges because (-1)^n n/(n+1) near n = infinity alternates between two values 1 and -1 (two different values) so the limit does not equal zero

and lim 1/n approaches zero from both sides as n goes to infinity (the same value) so it converges

is that the idea behind it?
 
Yes. The limit doesn't exist for the first sequence, so it obviously can't equal 0. Therefore, the series won't converge.

For the second series, the limit of the sequence does exist and equals 0, so the series may converge. (You'd still have to prove it converges by another method if you were trying to answer that question.)
 
Hm interesting thanks
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K