Is this series divergent or convergent?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence or divergence of the series ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty }1+(-1)^{n+1} i^{2n}##. Participants explore the behavior of the terms as ##n## approaches infinity, particularly focusing on the oscillating nature of the components involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants attempt to apply the n-th term test for divergence and question the existence of limits involving oscillating terms. There is discussion about the implications of the terms being identically zero and the simplification of the summands.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that the series converges to zero, while others challenge this conclusion, indicating a lack of consensus on the final outcome. Guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of terms and the need to consider the nature of the oscillating components.

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Participants express confusion regarding the application of the divergence test and the implications of oscillating limits. There is a focus on the behavior of the series terms rather than a definitive conclusion about convergence or divergence.

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Homework Statement


##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty }1+(-1)^{n+1} i^{2n}##
Is this series divergent or convergent?

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I tried using the divergent test by taking the limit as ##n## approaches ##{\infty }##, but both ##i^{2n}## and ##(-1)^{n+1}## will alternate from ##-1## to ##1##, while when I write the first terms, I get ##0## and that's what made me confused.
 
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TheoEndre said:

Homework Statement


##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty }1+(-1)^{n+1} i^{2n}##
Is this series divergent or convergent?

Homework Equations


3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I tried using the divergent test by taking the limit as ##n## approaches ##{\infty }##, but both ##i^{2n}## and ##(-1)^{n+1}## will alternate from ##-1## to ##1##, while when I write the first terms, I get ##0## and that's what made me confused.
Using the n-th term test for divergence, the problem boils down to finding ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + \lim_{n \to \infty} \left((-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right)##
It's true that the two factors in the last limit oscillate, but can you determine whether the last limit actually exists? Look at two cases: 1) n is even, and 2) n is odd.
 
I suggest working a bit with the expression inside the sum ...
 
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Mark44 said:
Using the n-th term test for divergence, the problem boils down to finding ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + \lim_{n \to \infty} \left((-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right)##
It's true that the two factors in the last limit oscillate, but can you determine whether the last limit actually exists? Look at two cases: 1) n is even, and 2) n is odd.
I think I get it. For both cases the result will be ##-1##, so last limit would be ##-1## and we'll end up with ##0##, correct?
 
TheoEndre said:
I think I get it. For both cases the result will be ##-1##, so last limit would be ##-1## and we'll end up with ##0##, correct?
You'll end up with 0 for the last limit I showed, yes. So ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + 0 = 1##. Can you conclude anything from the n-th term test for divergence, or will you need to use some other test?
 
Mark44 said:
You'll end up with 0 for the last limit I showed, yes. So ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + 0 = 1##. Can you conclude anything from the n-th term test for divergence, or will you need to use some other test?
This is not correct. The second limit is the limit of a number of modulus one. It cannot possibly be zero.
 
TheoEndre said:
I think I get it. For both cases the result will be ##-1##, so last limit would be ##-1## and we'll end up with ##0##, correct?
You actually do not need any limits at all. Each term is identically zero.
 
Mark44 said:
You'll end up with 0 for the last limit I showed, yes. So ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + 0 = 1##. Can you conclude anything from the n-th term test for divergence, or will you need to use some other test?
Actually, I meant this ##\lim_{n \to \infty} \left((-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right)## to equal ##-1## which means ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) ## will equal zero.
 
Orodruin said:
You actually do not need any limits at all. Each term is identically zero.
I thought about that too. But the divergence test of it made me a bit confused.
 
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TheoEndre said:
I thought about that too. But the divergence test of it made me a bit confused.
Before you consider the sum, consider the summands. ##a_n=1+(-1)^{n+1}i^{2n}## can be simplified a lot. After done that for an arbitrary ##a_n##, only then start to think about ##\sum_n a_n##.
 
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Mark44 said:
You'll end up with 0 for the last limit I showed, yes. So ##\lim_{n \to \infty}\left(1 + (-1)^{n + 1} \cdot i^{2n}\right) = 1 + 0 = 1##. Can you conclude anything from the n-th term test for divergence, or will you need to use some other test?
Orodruin said:
This is not correct. The second limit is the limit of a number of modulus one. It cannot possibly be zero.
I am not seeing it.
Regarding the product, if n is an even integer (=2m), ##(-1)^{2m + 1} = -1## and ##i^{2(2m} = 1## with a product of -1.If n is an odd integer (= 2m + 1), ##(-1)^{2m + 2} = 1## and ##i^{2(2m + 1)} = i^{4m + 2} = -1##, so the product is also -1. Where is the flaw in this logic?
 
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Mark44 said:
I am not seeing it.
Regarding the product, if n is an even integer (=2m), ##(-1)^{2m + 1} = -1## and ##i^{2(2m} = 1## with a product of -1.If n is an odd integer (= 2m + 1), ##(-1)^{2m + 2} = 1## and ##i^{2(2m + 1)} = i^{4m + 2} = -1##, so the product is also -1. Where is the flaw in this logic?
No flaw. The product is constantly ##-1##, so ##1+(-1)=0##.
 
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Mark44 said:
I am not seeing it.
Regarding the product, if n is an even integer (=2m), ##(-1)^{2m + 1} = -1## and ##i^{2(2m} = 1## with a product of -1.If n is an odd integer (= 2m + 1), ##(-1)^{2m + 2} = 1## and ##i^{2(2m + 1)} = i^{4m + 2} = -1##, so the product is also -1. Where is the flaw in this logic?
No flaw in that, but you seemed to be saying it was zero, not -1.
 
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Orodruin said:
No flaw in that, but you seemed to be saying it was zero, not -1.
Doh! I got the hard part right, but fouled up on 1 + -1.:H
 
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fresh_42 said:
Before you consider the sum, consider the summands. ##a_n=1+(-1)^{n+1}i^{2n}## can be simplified a lot. After done that for an arbitrary ##a_n##, only then start to think about ##\sum_n a_n##.
I tried simplifying and ended up with zero :biggrin: So the series converges and the sum equal to ##0##, correct?
 
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TheoEndre said:
I tried simplifying and ended up with zero :biggrin: So the series converges and the sum equal to ##0##, correct?
Yes, you can add as many zeroes as you want, you won't get very far. Formally an induction would do, in case anyone comes up with a nonsense like ##\infty \cdot 0##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes, you can add as many zeroes as you want, you won't get very far. Formally an induction would do, in case anyone comes up with a nonsense like ##\infty \cdot 0##.
I think ##\infty \cdot 0## is interesting :smile:
Thank very much for your help @fresh_42, @Mark44 and @Orodruin
 

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