Mathematica Is This Spacetime Geometry Mathematically Conceivable?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical conception of a non-Riemannian geometry represented by the metric equation 1/ds² = 1/dt² – 1/(dx² + dy² + dz²). Participants, including Eugene Shubert, debate the manipulation of this equation, particularly the inversion of fractions and its implications. The conversation highlights the complexity of deriving a cleaner form of the equation and introduces the concept of invariant proper time, suggesting that elapsed proper time t' can be expressed as t/sqrt(1-1/V²), where V² = (dx/dt)² + (dy/dt)² + (dz/dt)², indicating superluminal velocities when V² > 1.

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Is it possible to invent a non-Riemannian geometry to justify the existence of a "metric" of the form:

1/ds^2 = 1/dt^2 – 1/(dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)

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isn't that just
ds2 = dt2- (dx2+dy2+dz2)
?
 
Umm, I would agree with schwarzchildradius here. Just multiply through and suddenly you get rid of the nasty fractions.
 
Yes I do remember elementary algebra, good for me. you can invert that equation.
 
Would you like to expain in more detail how you think you can invert that fraction to get the required result?
 
I thought flipping a fraction such as 1/3^2 would result in 3^-2.

Doesn't it change the exponent?
 
C'mon guys...

1/ds2 = 1/dt2 – 1/(dx2 + dy2 + dz2)
1/ds2 = (dx2 + dy2 + dz2 - dt2)/[ (dx2 + dy2 + dz2)(dt2) ]

ds2 = [ (dx2 + dy2 + dz2)(dt2) ]/(dx2 + dy2 + dz2 - dt2)

Which just doesn't look any cleaner.

edit: changed to using integrated superscript.
 
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Originally posted by suffian
C'mon guys...

1/ds2 = 1/dt2 – 1/(dx2 + dy2 + dz2)
1/ds2 = (dx2 + dy2 + dz2 - dt2)/[ (dx2 + dy2 + dz2)(dt2) ]

ds2 = [ (dx2 + dy2 + dz2)(dt2) ]/(dx2 + dy2 + dz2 - dt2)

Which just doesn't look any cleaner.

edit: changed to using integrated superscript.

That was my point.
 
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Let me suggest the physical meaning to the expression above.

I’m thinking of ds as an invariant that represents a differential increment of proper time. That would imply that the total amount of elapsed proper time t' would equal t/sqrt (1-1/V^2) where V^2 = (dx/dt)^2 + (dy/dt)^2 + (dz/dt)^2. I would interpret V^2 > 1 to be a superluminal velocity.
 

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