Riemannian Geometry: GR & Importance Summary

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the significance of Riemannian geometry in the context of General Relativity (GR), exploring its roles, implications, and connections to different formalisms such as the Palatini formalism. Participants delve into definitions of geodesics, the relationship between the metric and connection, and the implications of torsion in gravitational theories.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines two key roles of Riemannian geometry: defining geodesics through the principle of least action and expressing important objects like the Christoffel symbol and Riemann tensor in terms of the metric.
  • Another participant suggests looking into Vierbeins and Lorentz connection, as well as minimal coupling, indicating additional complexities in the discussion.
  • A participant questions whether torsion-free connections or non-symmetric connections are more widely explored in the context of the Palatini formalism, highlighting the independence of the metric and connection.
  • There is mention of the implications of metric compatibility in GR, particularly regarding the addition of a cosmological constant and its effects on the energy-momentum tensor.
  • One participant references a paper related to the topic and discusses the exploration of torsion-free connections, suggesting that torsion can be introduced through specific sources like a Dirac field.
  • Another participant notes that introducing torsion and non-symmetry leads to discussions of alternative theories such as Weyl's gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the roles of Riemannian geometry and the implications of different connections in gravitational theories. There is no consensus on the exploration of torsion or the preferred connection type in the Palatini formalism, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of connections and metrics, as well as the implications of torsion, which remain unresolved. The relationship between geodesics in different formalisms is also a point of contention.

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Hi

I've done a masters taught module in GR and from what I've learned these are two of some of the most important significance of needing a Riemannian Geometry:

1) If we consider the Lagrangian of a freely-falling particle given by ##L= \int ds \sqrt{g_{uv}\dot{dx^u}\dot{dx^v}} ## and find the equations of motion, by the principle of least action this is the shortest path and so must be the definition of a geodesic.

The alternate way to define a geodesic is that the tangent vector of is parallel transported along itself :

##V^u \nabla_u V^a =0 ##

Then via the fundamental theorem of Riemannian geometry,( given a manifold equipped with a non-degenerate, symmetric, differentiable metric there exists a unique torsion-free connection such that ##\nabla_a g_bc =0 ##), we can show that these two definitions of a geodesic are important

2) Due to the fundamental theorem of Riemannian geometry, equipped with a metric on the space-time, we can express important objects such as the Christoffel symbol and Riemman tensor in terms of the metric, and so the metric effectively encodes all the information about the space-time

Are there other important roles played by Riemannian geometry?

I find the first one pretty interesting- is it Palatini formalism that looks at when the geometry is non-Riemmanian and so the geodesics would not be the same?

Thanks in advance.
 
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So I have read that in Palatini formalism, where the metric and connection are treated independently, if one is to assume any torsion-free connection then metric compatibility comes out by varying the action, is torsion free connection or a non-symmetric connection most widely explored in Palatini formalism?

Also, metric compatibility in GR means we can add the cosmological constant term whilst conserving the energy-momentum tensor still. In a palatini formalism where one does not assume torsion-free, are there any discussions on this or the fact the geodesics defined above do not agree, and a physical interpretation, that anyone could link me to? thanks
 
Yup, I read a paper on this a few months ago, here it is: https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08756v5

I can recommend some other papers on the topic, but I think the book I mentioned above does go into this discussion as well in the appendix.To add into your question, I always see torsion free being explored because you can add torsion by just using a Dirac field as your source (which should have torsion). Also, if you want torsion and non-symmetry, you would be getting into a third theory which is Weyl's gravity.
 
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