Is This the Correct Method to Solve a Kinetics Problem Using Half-Life Formula?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the appropriate method for solving a kinetics problem using the half-life formula, particularly in the context of second-order reactions. Participants explore the implications of initial concentrations and the application of kinetic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the half-life formula can be applied, suggesting that the problem may involve second-order kinetics with equal initial concentrations of reactants A and B.
  • Another participant proposes a relationship between the rate and concentrations, indicating that halving each concentration results in a quarter of the total rate.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the formula used for half-life in second-order kinetics, suggesting that it may not be the correct one and recommending a first-principles approach.
  • There is acknowledgment that the reasoning presented depends on the assumption that the initial concentrations of A and B are equal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method or formula to use, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the application of the half-life formula in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly regarding the initial concentrations and the specific formula applicable to second-order kinetics. There is also mention of the importance of deriving solutions from first principles.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students tackling kinetics problems, particularly those involving half-life calculations and second-order reactions.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Is the question asking the concentration when the system has reached its half life
Can use the half life formula?[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



So

1/cT + 1/co = kt

1/(4 *10-2) + 1/x = k(half life time)

Is this the right approach

Please help me as this is the first time I am attempting Kinetics problems[/B]
 
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The question is slightly ambiguous. I guess, but it is not explicitly stated, that the initial concentrations of A and B are the same.

So then you have in practice second order kinetics with respect to A, for there A = B at all times. So practically you would have the second or the kinetics with respect to A (or B).

There is a formula for half-life with second order kinetics but I don't think it's the one you have used.

Best to try and work this out from first principles. Then look it up in any case. That is the second part of this test. But the first part – knowing that this was what you had to do was the more important olympiadic part.

I never remember very well this formula - reason is there is not commonly all that much use for it outside of Olympiadics, at least in my experience. I just remember there is such a formula, and can always work it out from first principles.
 
Well I Have a solution with some logic (...)
R α CA CB

When we half each concentration the Total rate falls by ¼
So the answer should be 1×102
 
Yes that is a good way to reason.

Notice that it did depend on the initial [A] = [ B](10-2 btw).
 
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