Is Time Merely the Progression of Energy Toward Equilibrium?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of time, specifically whether it can be defined as the progression of energy toward equilibrium. Participants explore the relationship between time, energy, and the universe's state, considering both qualitative and quantitative aspects of time in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that time is essentially the progression of energy from one state to another, suggesting that without energy transfer, the universe would be static.
  • Another participant counters this view, stating that while energy movement is crucial, it does not inherently define time, emphasizing that time is what a clock measures.
  • A different participant notes that much of science involving time began qualitatively and evolved into quantitative concepts, indicating a relationship between qualitative ideas and their mathematical applications in fields like mechanics and engineering.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the discussion's potential to yield meaningful insights, reiterating that the definition of time often returns to the operational measurement by clocks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and nature of time, with no consensus reached. Some argue for a qualitative understanding linked to energy, while others maintain that time must be defined operationally.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining time, with participants acknowledging the complexity and speculative nature of the topic, particularly in relation to General Relativity.

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Can we say that TIME is essentially the progression of energy from one state to another, in its long cosmic quest to achieve equilibrium?

Without the movement of electromagnetic waves and transfer of energy, the entire universe would come to a standstill — an inanimate, “frozen” world.

Time thus appears to be an abstract, high-level representation of such animation; just as “music” is merely a conceptual representation of vibrating particles.

Can we thus say that intrinsically, time is only qualitative — a difference of states; whereas the quantitative value or magnitude — the perceived speed of time — is an illusion subjective to the observer, as demonstrated by Einstein’s relativity?

Thank you.

p/s: This is intended as a question on physics, not from a philosophical perspective :)
 
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The best and perhaps least satisfying answer to your question is that time is that which a clock measures. Like other physical quantities if you cannot define it operationally then you have an essentially meaningly interpretation as far as physics is concerned.
 
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i need help with this question too, But I believe a lot of our science involving time began as qualitative and resulted in quantitative concepts that are now proven mathematically and depend on time. Time is qualitative from the standpoint that we have not figured out how to move things (i.e. People from point to point) but it is related quantitatively in applications such as mechanics, material science, and other areas of engineering. What qualitative ideas go on in theoretical physics?
 
Andy_K said:
Can we say that TIME is essentially the progression of energy from one state to another, in its long cosmic quest to achieve equilibrium?

We cannot.

Andy_K said:
Without the movement of electromagnetic waves and transfer of energy, the entire universe would come to a standstill — an inanimate, “frozen” world.

Assuming all motion ceases and no disturbances of any kind propagate through the universe, then yes, everything would be "frozen". But this has nothing to do with time as far as we know.

Andy_K said:
p/s: This is intended as a question on physics, not from a philosophical perspective :)

Perhaps, but this topic is almost always a fast track to nowhere. As Inventive said, the most accurate (but least satisfying) answer is that "Time is what a clock measures". You can get into the details of how time is treated and what is known about it in terms of General Relativity, but most of these boil right back down to "Time is what a clock measures".

If you'd like to know more from the standpoint of General Relativity, feel free to start a thread in the Relativity forum. But I'm going to lock this thread since your question is essentially unanswerable and this topic attracts speculation and personal opinions like nothing else...

Thread locked.
 
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