Is Ubiquinol Used for ATP Production or Just Electron Absorption?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the role of ubiquinol and ubiquinone in ATP production and their functions within the electron transport chain (ETC). Participants explore whether ubiquinol is primarily involved in ATP synthesis or if its role is more related to electron absorption and antioxidant properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that ubiquinol is the reduced form of ubiquinone and acts as an electron carrier in the ETC.
  • Others argue that ubiquinol does not absorb electrons since it is already saturated with them, and its role is to release electrons during ATP production.
  • A participant questions whether exogenous ubiquinol can bypass the reduction steps of ubiquinone in ATP production.
  • There is a suggestion that both forms of CoQ10 (ubiquinol and ubiquinone) are equally important for ATP production.
  • One participant mentions that ATP is produced only at the final step of the ETC by ATP synthase, which utilizes the H+ gradient.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the therapeutic effects of ubiquinol, suggesting they may not be solely due to its antioxidant properties.
  • There is a mention of a personal anecdote related to the discussion, which some participants find confusing or irrelevant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific roles of ubiquinol and ubiquinone in ATP production and their therapeutic effects. Multiple competing views remain regarding their functions and significance in the ETC.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the absorption and roles of ubiquinol and ubiquinone depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully explored in the discussion. The relationship between antioxidant effects and ATP production remains unresolved.

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Or does it just absorb electrons from free radicals? Is it ubiquinol or ubiqinone that is used to make ATP?
 
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treehouse said:
Or does it just absorb electrons from free radicals? Is it ubiquinol or ubiqinone that is used to make ATP?

Ubiquinol is the just the reduced or electron rich form of ubiquinone. It is the same molecule which alternately gets oxidized and reduced by giving and taking electrons, and thus acts as an electron carrier. Therefore it is an essential component of the Electron Transport Chain. Here is a nice and simple explanation of the ETC that might give you a better understanding.
http://www.brookscole.com/chemistry...tions/oxidative/oxidativephosphorylation.html
 
Thanks...
So, ubiquinol doesn't absorb electrons because its already saturated with them. Does a therapeutic dose of exogenous ubiquinol* by-pass the reduction steps of ubiquinone?

I mean, in terms of ATP production ubiquinol is refined ubiquinone, not spent ubiquinone. Right?

*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19096107
 
treehouse said:
I mean, in terms of ATP production ubiquinol is refined ubiquinone, not spent ubiquinone. Right?

Neither; CoQ10 undergoes cycles of oxidation and reduction in order to transport electrons. Simply put, CoQ10 as ubiquinone takes electrons from complex I and II in the ETC and becomes ubiquinol. It then donates electrons to complex III and converts back to ubiquinone and returns for another round of oxidation and reduction.

So ubiquinol is not a better version of CoQ10. Both forms are equally important with respect to the ATP production.

treehouse said:
So, ubiquinol doesn't absorb electrons because its already saturated with them.

Right, its job in the ETC is to release electrons.

treehouse said:
Does a therapeutic dose of exogenous ubiquinol* by-pass the reduction steps of ubiquinone?

I do know that ubiquinol is an effective anti-oxidant protects from free-radical damage. But I really have no idea whether exogenous Ubiquinol is incorporated into the ETC. After a bit of googling, I found out that the reason why ubiquinol has been more effective might be because, it is more readily absorbed into our body system.

Other members might be of more help.
 
Is ATP made at each of these steps along the ETC?
 
treehouse said:
Is ATP made at each of these steps along the ETC?

No. Did you check the animation? ATP production is done only in the last step by ATP synthase, which uses the H+ gradient across the membrane to generate. ATP.
 
And the last step uses ubiquinol, right? And the therapeutic effects of ubiquinol are too pronounced to be due to anti-oxidants (not even alpha-lipoic acid supplementation provides a comparable boost in performance); at least that's what I'm saying right now.

I took another look at the animation... I remember my Gen Bio 1 study group calling the last part of it "the bong". Watching peops light up on tinychat.com isn't an issue for me - actually smelling it messes with my head though, especially because a hotbox high can facilitate LSD flashbacks. I'm so glad I'm sober.
 
treehouse said:
And the last step uses ubiquinol, right?
You could say so, yeah.
treehouse said:
And the therapeutic effects of ubiquinol are too pronounced to be due to anti-oxidants (not even alpha-lipoic acid supplementation provides a comparable boost in performance); at least that's what I'm saying right now.

I have already said that I don't know the answer to this. Someone in the medical field could help.

treehouse said:
I took another look at the animation... I remember my Gen Bio 1 study group calling the last part of it "the bong". Watching peops light up on tinychat.com isn't an issue for me - actually smelling it messes with my head though, especially because a hotbox high can facilitate LSD flashbacks. I'm so glad I'm sober.

Don't know what this is supposed to mean.
 
mishrashubham said:
Don't know what this is supposed to mean.

Its just information. Maybe the story will be a mnemonically useful association with the end of the ETC. Maybe you'll need to tell friend who would otherwise take LSD that it could ruin pot for them. Maybe you'll find company on a night when you're lonely and friends and gatherings are unavailable or set up an intellectual chat room on tinychat.com
 

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