Is \(\vec{\nabla}^2 \vec{E}\) a Dot or Vector Product?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the expression \(\vec{\nabla}^2 \vec{E}\) in the context of electromagnetic wave equations, specifically whether it represents a dot or vector product. Participants are exploring the implications of the Laplacian operator applied to vector fields.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the Laplacian for vectors and its application in wave equations. Questions arise about the relationship between vector derivatives and Maxwell's equations, as well as the manipulation of derivatives in the context of electromagnetic theory.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical treatment of vector derivatives and referencing relevant equations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive wave equations from Maxwell's equations, indicating a productive direction without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector calculus in the context of electromagnetic theory, with some assumptions about the independence of space and time in classical electromagnetism being discussed.

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Is [tex]\vec{\nabla^{2}}[/tex] [tex]\vec{E}[/tex] a dot or a vector product?
 
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Do you mean [itex]\nabla ^2 V[/itex]?
 
Whenever you take the Laplacian of a vector, its shorthand for

[tex]\hat{x} \frac{\partial ^2 E_x}{\partial x}+\hat{y} \frac{\partial ^2 E_y}{\partial y}+\hat{z} \frac{\partial ^2 E_z}{\partial z}[/tex]

in Cartesian coordinates and the definition in curvilinear coordinates is similar.
 
How can I then use Maxwell's equations to derive the wave equations for EM waves?
 
There is no need to use the above definition for that...

Just use the rules for vector second derivatives and look at

[tex]\vec{\nabla} \times (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E})[/tex]

and

[tex]\vec{\nabla} \times (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B})[/tex]...you will need to use maxwell's equations and the continuity equation.
 
[tex]\vec{\nabla} \times (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E})[/tex] = ?
 
There is a rule that will help you determine that; it should be in your text somewhere (possibly even inside the front cover!)
 
Thanks!

And one more question:

Why can [tex]\vec{\nabla} \times (-\partial B / \partial t)[/tex] be written [tex](-\partial/ \partial t)\vec{\nabla}\times B[/tex]
 
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Thanks!

And one more question:

Why can [tex]\vec{\nabla} \times (-\partial B / \partial t)[/tex] be written [tex](-\partial/ \partial t)\vec{\nabla}\times B[/tex]

Because [itex]\vec{\nabla}[/itex] represents a spatial derivative, and since space and time are assumed to be independent for classical E&M, it doesn't matter whether you take the time derivative before the spatial derivative, or vice versa.
 

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