Is W a Subspace of V^3 Given These Vectors?

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The discussion revolves around whether the set of vectors W = [v1, v2, v3, v4] forms a subspace of V^3, with participants exploring the conditions necessary for W to qualify as a subspace in the context of linear algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the zero vector is in W and proposes a general form for vectors in W, suggesting that the addition of any two vectors and scalar multiplication would also yield vectors in W.
  • Another participant questions the terminology used, clarifying the difference between a subset and a subspace, and emphasizes that the span of a collection of vectors is always a subspace of the space they exist in.
  • A suggestion is made to calculate specific combinations of the vectors to derive insights about their relationships and implications for subspace status.
  • There is an indication that the original problem may require showing that W is a proper subspace, implying that it is not equal to the entire space V^3.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the problem's requirements and the definitions involved, indicating that there is no consensus on whether W is a proper subspace or simply a subset of V^3.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of W and its relationship to V^3, as well as the implications of the calculations suggested by participants.

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We have W = [v1,v2,v3,v4]

v1=i-k
v2=i+j+k
v3=j+2k
v4=2i+j

Show that W is a subspace of V3.
first, vector 0 is obviously in W.

then,
let u = n1v1+n2v2+n3v3+n4v4 ∈ W
and v = s1v1+s2v2+s3v3+s4v4 ∈ W

and p ∈ reals

then u+pv
=(n1+ps1)v1+(n2+ps2)v2+(n3+ps3)v3+(n4+ps4)v4
∈ W

Am i completely proving that W is a subspace of V3 (the 3 dimensional space)? I am not quite sure because I am not even using the explicit given vectors.
Thank you very much
 
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By V^3, do you mean R^3? It seems fine since you proved it in the general case by satisfying the three conditions.
 
I would suggest calculating:

v3-v4+2v1
v3+v4-2v2

and what these results tell you?
 
Your post is very confusing! You titled this "show that W is a subset of V^3" which is quite different from saying "show that W is a subspace of V^3".

You then say W= [v1, v2, v3, v4]. Are we to assume that you mean that W is the span of those vectors? And are we to assume those vectors are in V^3?

The span of a collection of vectors is always a subspace of the space they exist in, pretty much from the definition of "span"- since every linear combination is, by definition, in the "span", certainly sums and scalar products are.
 
Probably the problem was to show that it is a proper subspace.
 

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