Is Water Acidic and Other Pressing Chem AP Questions?

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The discussion revolves around various questions related to chemistry concepts, particularly in the context of an AP Chemistry course. Topics include the nature of water, definitions of acids and bases, the behavior of hydrocarbons, and the implications of chemical reactions involving acids and bases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that pure water is neutral, while others mention that natural water can be acidic or basic due to minerals.
  • There is a debate about whether acids are electron donors or acceptors, with some arguing that acids should have a negative charge while others challenge this notion.
  • Questions are raised about the classification of alkanes, alkenes, and alkynes in terms of acidity or basicity, with some participants suggesting that pH is only defined for solutions.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between combustion and heating, with some suggesting that heating does not necessarily imply combustion.
  • There is confusion regarding the implications of "excess" in chemical reactions, with some participants explaining that it means sufficient reactant to drive the reaction to completion.
  • Participants challenge the correctness of a proposed ionic equation, with discussions on balancing and the significance of ionic equations in general.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the meanings of concentrated, diluted, and excess amounts in chemical contexts, with varying interpretations presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on several concepts, particularly regarding the definitions of acids and bases, the nature of water, and the implications of chemical reactions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing viewpoints.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific definitions and concepts from their coursework, indicating that their understanding may depend on the context of their studies. There are also mentions of potential misunderstandings regarding the balancing of equations and the definitions of terms like "excess."

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This discussion may be useful for high school students studying chemistry, particularly those preparing for AP Chemistry, as well as individuals seeking clarification on fundamental concepts in acid-base chemistry and chemical reactions.

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I am in Chem AP in high school and it is rediculously tough. Although, I try to study the book by myself, but I always have questions. Too many to ask the teacher. I was wondering if you guys could clear those out. Thx a lot.
1. I read in the book that H20 is acid. But I always thought water is neutral.
2. Since acid are electron donator, shouldn't they all have negative charge on top?
3. Are Alkane, Alkene, and Alkyne, neutral, acid, or base?
4. I know whenever something burns, oxygen is present on the other side of the equation, is this same for heated?(ex. ethanol is burned completely in air)
5. "Aqueous solutions of oxalic acid and excess potassium hydroxide" I am suppose to write balanced ionic equations for the following reactions. First of all, how would it matter to me if know weather oxalic acid is aqueous or not? Second, what does excess imply here? I remember hearing in class that excess means that there is enough potassium hydroxide to complete the whole reaction. But what difference does it make in writing out the equation? Btw, here is the answer to this question: H2C2O4 + OH- = H2O + C2O4 2-(this is an ionic equation therefore potassium was crossed out)

Note: THe only questions I post here are the ones my friends don't know and I couldn't find in google. Thanks a lot for helping me out guys.
 
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Pure water is neutral. However, minerals and such in natural spring water can make it either acidic or basic.
 
alright, question number 1 is out, let's hit the rest guys.
 
Skhandelwal said:
I am in Chem AP in high school and it is rediculously tough. Although, I try to study the book by myself, but I always have questions. Too many to ask the teacher. I was wondering if you guys could clear those out. Thx a lot.
1. I read in the book that H20 is acid. But I always thought water is neutral.
2. Since acid are electron donator, shouldn't they all have negative charge on top?
3. Are Alkane, Alkene, and Alkyne, neutral, acid, or base?
4. I know whenever something burns, oxygen is present on the other side of the equation, is this same for heated?(ex. ethanol is burned completely in air)
5. "Aqueous solutions of oxalic acid and excess potassium hydroxide" I am suppose to write balanced ionic equations for the following reactions. First of all, how would it matter to me if know weather oxalic acid is aqueous or not? Second, what does excess imply here? I remember hearing in class that excess means that there is enough potassium hydroxide to complete the whole reaction. But what difference does it make in writing out the equation? Btw, here is the answer to this question: H2C2O4 + OH- = H2O + C2O4 2-(this is an ionic equation therefore potassium was crossed out)

Note: THe only questions I post here are the ones my friends don't know and I couldn't find in google. Thanks a lot for helping me out guys.

Hi and welcome to the forums

1)Water is amphiprotic, it can be regard as an acid and a base.

2)It doesn't have to have a negative charge, as in a formal charge, rather, an electron density.

3)It depends on the specific species in question.

4)I'm not quite sure what you're referring to here.

5)The aqueous denotation indicates that the reaction will pertain to an acid base reaction in water; thus the situation can be related to water equilibrium concepts. With an excess amount of the strong base, the reactions will be regarded as complete, or that they will go to completion. That is, you won't need to be concerned about an equilibrium, and the reaction arrow will be that of a single one, from the reactants to products.
 
Skhandelwal said:
2. Since acid are electron donator, ...
No, they are not. Recheck the definition.

3. Are Alkane, Alkene, and Alkyne, neutral, acid, or base?
This question is meaningless. pH is defined only for a solution.

4. I know whenever something burns, oxygen is present on the other side of the equation, is this same for heated?(ex. ethanol is burned completely in air)
The question is unclear, but my best guess is "no". When a reaction is described as involving the "heating" of a reactant, it does not necessarily imply combustion/burning.

5. Btw, here is the answer to this question: H2C2O4 + OH- = H2O + C2O4 2-
Please inspect your answer to see that it is NOT correct. Neither the charge nor the number of H and O atoms is balanced.
 
5. that's because it is the unbalanced version, my teacher told us, we don't need to balance ionic equation.(not that we can't) They only test weather we know how to set it up.
2. Sorry, they are electron acceptor, but still, then they should all have plus charge and all bases should have negative. But that's not true. Why not?
 
Skhandelwal said:
5. that's because it is the unbalanced version, my teacher told us, we don't need to balance ionic equation.(not that we can't) They only test weather we know how to set it up.
If you did take the effort to set it up yourself and then balance it, you will find two possible solutions. One of these corresponds to an excess base (it would be similar to the equation posted above) and the other would correspond to a situation with excess acid.

Just spend the couple of minutes it takes to do it right and you can fully understand what I mean. But if you balance it and don't understand, I'd still be inclined to explain further.

2. Sorry, they are electron acceptor, but still, then they should all have plus charge and all bases should have negative. But that's not true. Why not?
It appears that you are asking for an explanation of the moral of a story without first reading the story. You need to understand what it means to be an electron acceptor. Go back to the chapter in your text where you found this sentence. Hopefully, it didn't just appear out of the blue. The section where this sentence was found most likely had a explanation of Lewis Acids and Bases. Read that again, and if there's something that still bothers you, come back with a question.
 
Skhandelwal said:
2. Sorry, they are electron acceptor, but still, then they should all have plus charge and all bases should have negative. But that's not true. Why not?
To be simplistic, acids tend to donate their H+, which is why it's alright to keep them "neutral", because once they do their donation, they'd become negative and hence proving the point of electron accepter.
Like: (My acid-base stuff is a bit rusty so correct me if I'm mistaken)
HCl + H_{2}O \rightleftharpoons Cl^{-} + H_{3}O^+
Which should make a little more sense. Do you see how it donated a proton? (i.e. an H^+?)
I'm using the Bronsted-Lowry definition. (I think)
 
Pseudo Statistic said:
To be simplistic, acids tend to donate their H+, which is why it's alright to keep them "neutral", because once they do their donation, they'd become negative and hence proving the point of electron accepter.
How does leaving behind a negatively charged ion prove that something is an electron acceptor?
I'm using the Bronsted-Lowry definition. (I think)
Yes, which is restricted to a far smaller set of acids/bases than the Lewis definition quoted by the OP and hence, can not explain why Na+ (for instance) is a Lewis Acid.
 
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Alright, I got it, acid is a hydrogen donator and after it donates it, it accepts electrons. So both are both donator and acceptor, it just depends on weather you are talking about H+ or electron. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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I am confused about this one more thing...
What does it mean when something is concentrated, diluted, and in excess amount?(Gokul, I still didn't get it) My friend told me though that excess means all the hydrogen are available for reaction and diluted means only 1 is. If you can see from what perspective he is talking about, could you explain to me that way? What does concentrated mean btw? Here is an example: a strip of copper metal is added to a concentrated solution of sulfuric acid.
 
  • #12
This is the unbalanced equation you wrote down in the OP:

H2C2O4 + (OH)- = H2O + (C2O4)2-

I'm now going to balance this in two different ways and write down two essentially equivalent equations.

1. H2C2O4 + 2(OH-) = 2H2O + (C2O4)2-

2. H2C2O4 = 2(H+) + (C2O4)2-

The first suggests that in equilibrium there are a number of OH- ions floating around; the second suggests that there are a number of H+ ions in the solution. Which of these two cases will result of you added an "excess of base"?
 
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  • #13
Can you show me the equation that results if potassium hydroxide wasn't in excess. I want to see the clear diff. b/w those. From where I see right now, there was just one OH- and it became two b/c of balance. How would the balanced version be any diff. from this?(the one w/o excess) Here it is again, pasted from above: "Aqueous solutions of oxalic acid and excess potassium hydroxide"
 
  • #14
The first equation is used if KOH is in excess (and hence there are OH- ions in equilibrium). The second equation applies to the case where H2C2O4 is in excess (and hence there are H+ ions in equilibrium).

Before you get to ionic equations, you should have dealt with limiting/excess reagents in stoichiometry problems. This is simply an extension of that basic concept. If one of the reactants is in excess of the amount required to react with the other reactants, there will be some amount of this reactant that survives unreacted.
 
  • #15
you are right, my bases were weak, now that I have my ground strong, I barely will have any questions, and I could ask those to the teacher, thx.
 
  • #16
Nvm the last post, lol.(you were right though) While I was rereading the Oxidation-Reduction chapter, I had the following questions.
1. Can charged molecules or atomes exist in redox equations because here is how my understading about these have developed. If atoms and molecules are already charged, then there is no exchange of electrons going on, they just mix up like puzzles. But if they are both neutral, then one gives up electrons, another accepts it and that's how they both become charged and redox reaction occurs. Tell me if my understanding is wrong.
 
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