Is y''=0 included in the solution for y'''=(y'')2?

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation y'''=(y'')^2 and the inclusion of the solution y''=0 within the broader solution set. Participants are examining the implications of this condition and its representation in the context of the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution method used to solve the equation and the resulting expression for y. Questions arise regarding the status of the solution y''=0 and whether it is adequately represented in the final answer.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the potential oversight regarding the solution y''=0, suggesting it should be acknowledged as a valid solution. There is recognition of possible mistakes in the answer sheet, and the conversation is exploring these nuances without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a potential division by p during the solving process, which may have led to the exclusion of certain solutions. Additionally, discrepancies in the answer sheet regarding other solutions are noted, indicating a need for clarification.

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Homework Statement



Solve:
y'''=(y'')2

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Basically easy, use the substitution y'' = p and solve through the equations.
I end up having this:
y=-(x+c1)ln|x+c1| + c2x + c3, which is what I listed in the answers as well.
My question is about p≠0 which I get while solving the first integral.
p=y''=0 is a solution to the equation.
y''=0 means y'=c means y=cx+c
Is this included in the solution? I don't think so, and then it should be listed as a solution as well, but it's not. Am I missing something, or it's already in the first solution?
 
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I don't see a choice of constants in your solution yielding y = cx + d. (You don't mean cx + c). But, yes, it is a perfectly good solution as you can test by plugging it into the equation. It should be listed as an answer. If you divided by p in the process of solving the equation, that would explain why the solution was missed. Good work noticing that.
 
yes, I meant y = cx + d of course.
Well, in that case that's another mistake in the answer sheet - for the DE:
2y y'' = (y')^2 + 1
they list y = c as an answer, when it is obviously not.
 
Yes. You're right about that too.
 

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