The discussion centers around the question of whether zero is considered a discrete number. Participants explore the definitions of "discrete" and engage in a dialogue about the nature of zero within the context of natural numbers and quantities.
Participants do not reach a consensus on whether zero is discrete. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and implications of discreteness as it relates to zero.
There are unresolved ambiguities regarding the definitions of "discrete" and "quantity," as well as the context in which these terms are applied. Some participants express confusion about the relevance of certain terms and their application to the discussion.
Zero is a real number too!jedishrfu said:Natural numbers are known as discrete numbers since they are a countable set. Zero is a member of the natural numbers, hence zero is discrete.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number
Quantized. I'll open a new thread from here onHallsofIvy said:What definition are you using?
It is a quantity. Correct me if its not that please.Shyan said:Zero is a real number too!
Anyway, I think the question is meaningless. Discreteness isn't a property of a single number!
What is a quantity? If you mean discreteness, then no, its a concept!Atlas3 said:It is a quantity. Correct me if its not that please.
I mean I can have zero of somethingShyan said:What is a quantity? If you mean discreteness, then no, its a concept!
Like X.HallsofIvy said:You started by asking 'Is 0 discrete'. I asked what definition of 'discrete' you are using and you responded "quantized". That is a term used in Quantum Physics and is meaningless here. Now you are asking whether '0' is a quantity. Yes, if you ask a store owner, "how many boxes of cigars do you have", the store owner could well answer, 'none'. '0' is definitely a 'quantity'.
I mean like a algebra teacher refers to the quantity X.micromass said:What is X?
Yes but not variable Zeromicromass said:You mean the variable X?
Zero is not a variable -- it is a constant, just like 1 or 5 or -213.7 or ##\pi##. A variable can represent an arbitrary number*. Zero is a very specific number.Atlas3 said:Yes but not variable Zero
You said "variable Zero" in post #16, which I quote again, below. How else was I to interpret "variable Zero"?Atlas3 said:i didn't state varied zero. Constant zero. I wasn't being funny
Atlas3 said:Yes but not variable Zero
It has the word not preceding that wordMark44 said:You said "variable Zero" in post #16, which I quote again, below. How else was I to interpret "variable Zero"?
I'll try. If I can figure out the forum post editor for markup when I get the time on a computer right now it is cumbersome on iphonejedishrfu said:Perhaps you could tell us what are studying and how you came to asking about zero being discrete.
Mark44 said:You said "variable Zero" in post #16, which I quote again, below. How else was I to interpret "variable Zero"?
Whatever.Atlas3 said:It has the word not preceding that word
I was asking if zero is considered a discrete value meaning nil but countable. Wasn't asking a philosophical question or making a joke. Just asking if in numbers it is considered the same as any other. Discrete was the answer I received. And thanks the poster for the immediate answer.HallsofIvy said:Every time you are asked to clarify something, you answer with another ambiguity. I am starting to think that this whole thread was just a joke. Your original question was "Is 0 discrete?" I asked what you meant by "discrete" and your response was "like X". Please tell us what you think the word "discrete" means!
Not a variable value. InvariantMark44 said:Whatever.
What you said was extremely unclear. I have no idea what you're trying to say with "not variable Zero".
I just answered you again above. You were quicker with another post and missed the clarification. It's aboveMark44 said:Whatever.
What you said was extremely unclear. I have no idea what you're trying to say with "not variable Zero".
Back to the original question, "Is zero discrete?" A set of numbers that is separated is discrete, such as {0, 1, 2, ...,n, n + 1, ...} or {1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1, 5/4, ...}. I'm not sure it makes any sense to talk about a single number as being discrete.
Please start a new thread for this question.Atlas3 said:I have a simple counting question and the use of decimals. Possibly I want to count decimal fractions differently for the purposes of defining the range of something. A different number line of a kind? Folded eventually. Does this seem like a practical forum to ask this type of question?
Am I on a deadline. I'll ask in a new thread as suggested. I had work to do besides forum postingMark44 said:Question has been asked and
Please start a new thread for this question.