Isobaric compression from isotherm to adiabat

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamic process involving helium, where participants are tasked with determining the pressures and temperatures at various points in the process. The context includes isobaric compression and transitions between isothermal and adiabatic states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the ideal gas law and the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature. There is an exploration of the adiabatic process and the constant involved in the equation PVγ.

Discussion Status

Some participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting to clarify the relationships between the variables and the equations needed to find the unknown pressures and temperatures. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of the adiabatic process equation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted uncertainty regarding the temperature at point 3, which is impacting the ability to determine the pressure at that point. Participants are also considering the implications of the gas being monatomic in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



The figure(Figure 1) shows a thermodynamic process followed by 150 mg of helium. Determine the pressure (in atm) at points 1, 2, and 3. Determine the temperature (in °C) at points 1, 2, and 3.

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n=.0375 mol
P1=3 atm
P2=1 atm
T1=971.85 k
T2=971.85 k
V1=1000 cm^3
V2=V3=3000 cm^3

Homework Equations



PV=nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm only on the pressure part right now. From the given chart P1=3 atm. I used PV=nRT, and got that T1 and T2 are 971.85 K. With that, I used ideal gas law again to get that P2=1 atm. However, I don't know how to get the pressure at point 3 since I don't know the temperature at that point. It looks like it goes through an isobaric compression from the isotherm to the adiabat to me. Any help is appreciated.

(303000)(.001)=(.0375)(8.314)T, T1=T2=971.85 K

P(.003)=(.0375)(8.314)(971.85), P2=1 atm
 
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From 1 to 3, the He goes through an adiabatic process such that

PVγ= constant

So you will have to use this to get P3
 
Ok, I get the PVγ, where γ=5/3 since its a monatomic gas, but what exactly is the constant? Is that supposed to be nR?
 
Ok, I think I got it. So it would be P2V2γ=P1V1γ and then just solve for P2
 
Thank you for your help!
 

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