Isochoric and Isobaric (Ch.15 problem #26 Wiley+)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a monatomic ideal gas undergoing a series of processes, specifically two isobaric and two isochoric steps. Participants are tasked with calculating work done, heat transfer, and changes in internal energy based on the provided conditions.

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  • Participants explore the equations related to work done during isobaric and isochoric processes. There is uncertainty regarding the calculation of volume and pressure, with some questioning whether pressure can be ignored in their calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the appropriate equations for work done in different types of processes. There is ongoing exploration of how to apply these equations given the known variables, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to find the necessary values.

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Participants note the lack of specific pressure values and express confusion about how to proceed without this information. The homework is due soon, adding urgency to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Chapter 15, Problem 26

The drawing refers to 5.30 mol of a monatomic ideal gas and shows a process that has four steps, two isobaric (A to B, C to D) and two isochoric (B to C, D to A). (a) What is the work done from A to B? (b) What is the heat added or removed from B to C? (c) What is the change in internal energy from C to D? (d) What is the work done from D to A?




Homework Equations



W= nRT(Vf/Vi)


The Attempt at a Solution



W= 5.3mol * 8.31 * 800K *(Vf/Vi) this is where I am stick I don't know how to find the volume. I tried using V=nRT/P but I don't know the pressure?

Thanks in advance, the homework is due tonight.
 

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Welcome to PF trinot,
trinot said:
W= 5.3mol * 8.31 * 800K *(Vf/Vi) this is where I am stick I don't know how to find the volume. I tried using V=nRT/P but I don't know the pressure?
No you don't know the actual value of the pressure, but you know that it remains constant throughout the process :wink:
 
I am still not sure what to do, does this mean I can ignore it and just use V=nRT/P?

Thanks!
 
Hi trinot,

I believe you are using the wrong equation for the work done by the gas. For an isothermal process the work done by a gas is

<br /> W = nRT \ln\left({\frac{V_f}{V_i}\right)<br />

but these processes are not isothermal.

For an isochoric process the work done is zero; for an isobaric process the work done by the gas is

<br /> W= P (V_f - V_i)<br />

Since you know n and T for all four points on the graph you can find the values of (PV_f) and (PV_i).
 

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