Ideal gas through Isobaric process

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The discussion revolves around an ideal gas undergoing an isobaric process, where the internal energy decreases while heat is added. The problem involves calculating the end volume of the gas given specific parameters such as the number of moles, initial pressure, and changes in energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between internal energy change and volume change in an isobaric process. There are attempts to apply the first law of thermodynamics and the equation for isobaric work. Questions arise regarding the calculations of work and temperature, as well as the implications of the given energy changes.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the variables involved, while others have shared their calculations and reasoning. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, and some guidance has been offered regarding the application of relevant equations.

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Homework Statement


This is probably a real easy task for most, but I simply CANNOT manage to calculate it, even given the correct answer. I will translate it as best I can and hope I don't phrase it in a way that causes misunderstandings:

12 Moles of an ideal gas go through an Isobaric process. The inner energy declines with 20 KJ, at the same time as 4 KJ heat is added. The Pressure at the start was 140 kPa, and the start volume was 0.3m3. What is the end volume?

Homework Equations


The relevant equations we were given was to use the first law of Thermodynamics and then use that in the equation for Isobaric work. They are as follows:

ΔU = Q + W
W = -p1⋅ΔV = p1V1(1-V2/V1) = nRT1(1-V2/V1)

The Attempt at a Solution


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I have made several attempts at finding W to use in the equation for Isobaric work. I tried finding the temperature with pV=nRT to find the immediate temperature, to then use it to find the internal energy, but I struggle finding a way to use this.

I'm soon done with my second year in Mechanical Engineering and have finished with flying colors on my Process Technique class (which builds on exactly this, but a step up), yet I cannot manage to do this and it is truly embarrasing. I skipped my exam in Physics in my first year due to illness, so that's why I am doing this now.
 
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Since the process is isobaric (constant pressure) what does that tell you about the relationship between the internal energy change and the volume change?
 
JBA said:
Since the process is isobaric (constant pressure) what does that tell you about the relationship between the internal energy change and the volume change?

It might be due to my exhausted mind being slow, but from what I understand now is this;

They tell me that internal energy is -20 KJ, which means that ΔU = -20KJ. And then they tell me that Q is +4KJ. This means that ΔU = Q + W is actually -20KJ = 4 KJ - 24 KJ.

Slamming this into the equation W = -p1ΔV makes it -W/-p1 = ΔV. Ultimately this makes it that ΔV ≈ 0.17m3. Thus the end resulting volume is 0.47m3. But with my luck it's just coincidential.
 
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BurningUrge said:
It might be due to my exhausted mind being slow, but from what I understand now is this;

They tell me that internal energy is -20 KJ, which means that ΔU = -20KJ. And then they tell me that Q is +4KJ. This means that ΔU = Q + W is actually -20KJ = 4 KJ - 24 KJ.

Slamming this into the equation W = -p1ΔV makes it -W/-p1 = ΔV. Ultimately this makes it that ΔV ≈ 0.17m3. Thus the end resulting volume is 0.47m3. But with my luck it's just coincidential.
This looks correct.
 

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