Isothermal (almost) compression of gas by water injection

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The discussion centers on the concept of isothermal compression of gas through water injection, as proposed by a new piston technology. Participants explore the theoretical soundness of this approach, its efficiency, and its application in different contexts, including potential use with steam or vapor.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the claim that a new piston design with fins can achieve almost isothermal compression and reduce power consumption, questioning its theoretical validity.
  • Others suggest that if the compression process is slow enough, heat dissipation could prevent significant temperature increases, making isothermal compression feasible.
  • A participant asserts that the process operates at a high speed (1500 rpm) while still controlling temperature rise through water injection, indicating a unique aspect of the technology.
  • There is mention of a detailed analysis of a reciprocating compressor that uses water injection to achieve quasi-isothermal compression, highlighting its potential for efficient power generation.
  • Some participants draw parallels between this technology and existing systems, such as those used by Sullair in their screw compressors.
  • Concerns are raised about the applicability of this technology to steam or vapor, with participants expressing curiosity about its effectiveness in those contexts.
  • One participant notes that water injection in compressors is not a new concept, suggesting that it has historical precedence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and skepticism regarding the theoretical aspects of the technology. While some believe it is theoretically possible, others question its practical effectiveness and applicability to different states of matter, such as steam or vapor. No consensus is reached on the overall viability of the proposed method.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for further investigation into the conditions under which this technology operates effectively, including the speed of compression and the specifics of heat dissipation. There are unresolved questions regarding the efficiency of the process and its application to different types of gases.

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http://www.fluidmechanics.co.uk/
I have found this by searching net. The inventor claimed that by using a new kind of piston fitted with fins, he achieved almost isothermal compression and greatly reduced the power consumption process. I want to know how much theoretically sound it is.
 
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pranj5 said:
http://www.fluidmechanics.co.uk/
I have found this by searching net. The inventor claimed that by using a new kind of piston fitted with fins, he achieved almost isothermal compression and greatly reduced the power consumption process. I want to know how much theoretically sound it is.
If it is slow, the cylinder may be able to dissipate heat sufficiently quickly during a compression to prevent significant temperature increase. It requires much less work to compress the gas if heat is dissipated during compression to keep the temperature constant. So whether it works or not depends on how fast the compression is.

AM
 
What you have said is already known. But, this process is different. It's sufficiently fast (1500 rpm), but still can control the temperature rise by using water. It's the uniqueness of this technology, which is simultaneously fast and isothermal.
 
pranj5 said:
What you have said is already known. But, this process is different. It's sufficiently fast (1500 rpm), but still can control the temperature rise by using water. It's the uniqueness of this technology, which is simultaneously fast and isothermal.
I thought you were asking whether it is theoretically possible. It is. Whether it actually works is a different question.

AM
 
As per the claims on the website, they have done it.
 
This seems to be a detailed analysis of a water-injection-cooled compression cycle process: DEVELOPMENT OF A RECIPROCATING COMPRESSOR USING WATER INJECTION TO ACHIEVE QUASIISOTHERMAL COMPRESSION

Purdue.edu said:
ABSTRACT
A novel kind of reciprocating air compressor is being developed, in which quasi-isothermal compression is achieved by the injection of a large quantity of water through spray nozzles inside the compressor. The compressor is mainly intended as a part of a new thermodynamic cycle for efficient power generation, but it could be used in stand-alone applications as well. Due to the high density and heat capacity of the liquid water spray, the temperature increases only slightly during compression. The water is not consumed but separated from the pressurized air, cooled and re-used, offering options for heat recovery. A compression ratio of up to 1:30 can be realized in a single cylinder. Results from a test rig and a full-scale compressor prototype are presented.
 
Wet bottom compressors and compressors with water injection are old technology . Noah probably used them in his ark .
 
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pranj5 said:
That simply means that by controlling the temperature, we can reduce power consumption for gas. I am just curious that whether the steam will be applicable to steam/vapour or not.

Your thread title reflects exactly the topic in the white paper link provided.
 
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Actually, I am more interested to know that whether such power consumption reduction can be achieved even for steam/vapour or not.
 

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