Water spray to steam during compression in a hybrid diesel-steam engine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a hybrid diesel-steam engine that incorporates water injection to enhance efficiency. Participants explore the implications of injecting atomized water into steam during compression within a steam compressor, particularly focusing on heat absorption and the conversion of water to steam.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) suggests that atomized water injected into steam during compression will absorb heat and maintain steam saturation until all water is converted to steam.
  • Some participants question the OP's assertion about maintaining steam saturation, indicating that it may not be intuitively obvious or correct.
  • The OP expresses a desire to understand whether others agree with their thoughts without delving into mathematical details, emphasizing a shift in focus from mechanical work to heat addition.
  • Another participant insists that proper analysis requires mathematical backing, suggesting that the OP's approach lacks rigor without such details.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the OP's claims regarding the behavior of water and steam during compression. There are competing views on the necessity of mathematical analysis to support the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights a lack of detailed mathematical analysis, which some participants believe is essential for validating claims about heat absorption and steam behavior.

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I just have read about a new kind hybrid diesel-steam engine where water has been injected inside an internal combustion engine to improve efficiency. The basic principle behind the process is that water will soak up a large section of heat generated by burning the fuel and will turn into steam that will improve the efficiency of conversion of heat into power. While reading a thought suddenly stuck my mind. If atomised water is injected to steam during compression inside a steam compressor, what can possibly be happen. It can certainly be said that the water will soak up the extra heat generated during the compression and will keep the steam saturated until all the water will be converted into steam. I just want to know how much right I am.
 
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pranj5 said:
If atomised water is injected to steam during compression inside a steam compressor, what can possibly be happen. It can certainly be said that the water will soak up the extra heat generated during the compression...
The water will soak up some of the heat generated during the compression. The steam will soak up some as well.
...and will keep the steam saturated until all the water will be converted into steam.
That isn't intuitively obvious to me and I expect is wrong. But isn't this the same claim you've been making over and over again here? Weren't you already shown how to do the analysis to find out what actually happens? Why don't you just do the analyisis, post it and we'll help make sure it is correct?
 
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I have already posted my analysis here in this post. I don't want to post the mathematical details here. I just want to see that whether others agree with what I have thought or not. This thread is different from before by one aspect. In the previous, the whole attention was concentrated on mechanical work. In this thread, I just want to see whether the mechanical work can be replaced by heat or not. In the formula, what has been stated is just the change in enthalpy and that can be done by both mechanical work and adding heat. If the same effect can be achieved by just adding heat, that means a huge leap forward.
 
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I have already posted my analysis here in this post. I don't want to post the mathematical details here. I just want to see that whether others agree with what I have thought or not.
We have been through this before: "analysis" means math. Anything else is just handwaving, and we do not allow it. Since you have stated that intent, this thread will not be useful and is therefore locked.
 
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