Isothermal compressibility and spring constant solids

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between isothermal compressibility and the spring constant in solids, particularly those structured as cubic lattices. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of compressibility using a model of atoms connected by restoring forces, seeking to derive a relation between the spring constant and compressibility.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the derivation of compressibility from a model involving a cubic lattice and restoring forces. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the geometry of the solid and the treatment of changes in volume and area during deformation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions underlying the calculations, particularly concerning how changes in volume and area are accounted for. There is a focus on clarifying the definitions and relationships involved in the problem, with some suggestions for making the reasoning more rigorous.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment of potential oversights in the assumptions about the solid's structure and the implications of applying pressure uniformly across its faces. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach and seeks further clarification on specific steps in the derivation.

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Homework Statement



Consider a solid of compressibility ##\kappa##. Assume that the atoms in this solid are arranged on a regular cubic lattice, the distance between their nearest neighbors being ##a##. Assume further that a restoring force ##-k_0 \Delta a## acts on a given atom when it is displaced by a distance ##\Delta a## from its nearest neighbor. Use simple reasoning to find an approximate relation between the spring constant ##k_0## and the compressibility ##\kappa## of this solid.

Homework Equations



##\kappa = \frac{1}{V}\frac{\partial V}{\partial p}|_{T}##.

The Attempt at a Solution



Consider a cubic lattice of ##N+1## atoms on each edge. Take ##N \gg 1## so that ##N+1 \approx N##. The area of any given face of the lattice is ##A = N^2 a^2##. Imagine now that the face is pushed inward by the amount ##\Delta a## where ##\frac{\Delta a}{a} \ll 1##. Then there is an increase in the total force exerted on this face due to the restoring force ##F = -k_0 \Delta a## on each of the ##(N+1)^2## atoms in this face; the increase in total force on this face will be given in magnitude by ##\Delta F = (N+1)^2 \Delta a k_0 \approx N^2 \Delta a k_0##.

Then ##\kappa = \frac{1}{V}\frac{\partial V}{\partial p}|_T = \frac{1}{N a}\frac{\partial a}{\partial p}|_T \approx \frac{1}{a}\frac{\Delta a}{\Delta p} = \frac{1}{a}\frac{N^2 a^2 \Delta a}{N^2 \Delta a k_0} = \frac{a}{N k_0}##.

According to the book the correct answer is ##\kappa = \frac{a}{k_0}## which is not what I got. However I am not sure of how to fix my solution. I could I suppose take a parallelipiped with sides of length ##Na## whose faces are to be pushed inwards, and sides of length ##a## which are parallel to the force applied to push the aforementioned faces inwards. However this looks to be a very contrived escape in fixing my solution on top of the assumptions I already made that make my solution above look quite non-rigorous. For example I took the solid to be a cubic lattice as opposed to any crystal lattice and I also took ##N \gg 1## to make ##(N+1)^2 \approx N^2##, neither of which are assumptions made in the problem statement. Could anyone help me in fixing my solution. Also, could any comment on whether or not I could make the calculation more rigorous? Any hints on how to do so? Thanks!
 
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PhizKid said:
Then ##\kappa = \frac{1}{V}\frac{\partial V}{\partial p}|_T = \frac{1}{N a}\frac{\partial a}{\partial p}|_T ##

Can you explain how you get the second equality here?
 
TSny said:
Can you explain how you get the second equality here?

##\kappa = \frac{1}{V}\frac{\partial V}{\partial p} = \frac{1}{A L}\frac{A \Delta a}{\Delta p} = \frac{a N^2 \Delta a}{N (N^2 k_0 \Delta a)} = \frac{a}{k_0 N}##
 
PhizKid said:
##\kappa = \frac{1}{V}\frac{\partial V}{\partial p} = \frac{1}{A L}\frac{A \Delta a}{\Delta p} = \frac{a N^2 \Delta a}{N (N^2 k_0 \Delta a)} = \frac{a}{k_0 N}##

V = AL. When V changes, it appears you are assuming that only L changes and not A. Shouldn't A also change?

That is, how do you get ##\partial V = A \Delta a##?
 
TSny said:
V = AL. When V changes, it appears you are assuming that only L changes and not A. Shouldn't A also change?

That is, how do you get ##\partial V = A \Delta a##?

In the calculation I was simply pushing one face of the cube inwards by some small amount so the area of the face is the same since the push is normal to the face itself.
 
I believe the usual definition of compressibility ##\kappa## involves the change in volume when the pressure is increased over the entire surface. So, for a cube, you would consider the change in volume when the pressure is increased on all six faces.
 

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