Iterating powers of complex integers along axes of symmetry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the behavior of complex integers, specifically Gaussian and Eisenstein integers, when iterated through multiplication. Participants examine the geometric patterns formed by these iterations, particularly in relation to axes of symmetry and the implications of initial values on the resulting series.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Jeffrey, describes how iterating a complex integer with norm greater than 1 generates a series of perfect powers that lie on a logarithmic spiral, except when the initial value is on the real axis.
  • Jeffrey posits that if a complex integer lies on an axis of symmetry, the resulting series will also lie on an axis of symmetry, and questions whether the inverse holds true.
  • Another participant suggests that the behavior can be characterized using polar coordinates, indicating that the argument of the complex number changes in regular steps, affecting whether the series remains on or off an axis.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that points of length 1 define a circle, and notes that the sequence may be infinite if the initial argument is commensurate to π, while also mentioning the potential for switching branches in complex exponentiation.
  • There is a mention of inward spirals approaching zero when the norm of z is less than 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the initial value of z and its relationship to the axes of symmetry. The discussion includes both agreement on certain behaviors and uncertainty regarding the inverse relationships and exceptions to the spiral behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the initial conditions on the resulting series, particularly regarding the conditions under which the series may or may not lie on an axis of symmetry. There are also unresolved aspects concerning the behavior of complex integers with norms less than 1.

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I am exploring the behaviors of complex integers (Gaussian and Eisenstein integers). My understanding is that when a complex integer z with norm >1 is multiplied by itself repeatedly, it creates a series of perfect powers. For instance, the Gaussian integer 1+i generates the series 2i, -2+2i, -4, -4-4i, etc., and the norms are powers of 2. The series generated from such an iteration always lies on a logarithmic spiral, unless the initial value of z is on the real axis, in which case the series follows a line that extends straight along the positive side of the real axis. I hope I stated that correctly :) Here's a nice web page with an interactive tool to explore the behaviors of complex powers:

http://plansoft.org/edu/power.html

The set of Gaussian integers forms 8 axes of symmetry (the real and imaginary axes, and the four diagonals). The set of Eisenstein integers forms 12 axes of symmetry. These axes correspond to the "pie slices" that are isomorphic to each other, given rotations and reflections. If z lies on an axis of symmetry, then I believe the numbers in the series will always lie on an axis of symmetry. Is this assumption correct?

My question concerns the inverse: if z (does not) lie on an axis, will the resulting series of powers (never) lie on an axis? If we do not constrain ourselves to the complex integers, then I believe it is possible that there are certain values of z that will generate series in which a (subset) of numbers lie on an axis - however, in this case, the notion of "axis" has a different meaning. My question pertains to complex integers specifically.

Thank you!

-Jeffrey
 
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All you have done is considered ##z^n=(r\cdot u)^n=r^n\cdot u^n## with a real number ##r>1## and a complex number ##u=e^{i\varphi}## on the unit circle. So ##n \longmapsto r^n## is of course of exponential growth to the origin, whereas ##u^n## jumps around the circle in steps of ##\varphi## degrees: ##n\longmapsto n\cdot\varphi \,.## Together this is your spirale. Now you can choose ##r## and ##\varphi## in a way, that they will met one of your axis (rational values) or not (irrational values).
 
Thank you.

I'm not sure what some of those variables refer to, but I believe you are saying that I can characterize this problem in terms of polar coordinates, which allows me to see that the argument changes in regular steps, and therefore z consistently remains either on or off an axis throughout iteration.
-j
 
I think there may be an additional exception to the spiral behavior. Points of length 1 will define a circle . The sequence will be infinite iff the initial argument is commensurate to ## \pi##. EDIT: Since powers of Complexes are defined in terms of the Complex exponential, you may be able to switch branches to end up in different places. Still, the main branch ##Logz ## is the one where Real numbers have argument =0. Obviously, if |z|<1 , the spiral will be inward and will approach ##0##.
 

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