IUPAP Names 3 New Elements: Cupernicium Included

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The discussion revolves around the naming of three new elements by the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics (IUPAP), with a particular focus on the name "Cupernicium," which is derived from copper. Participants express a range of opinions on the appropriateness and creativity of the names, suggesting alternative names and engaging in humorous commentary.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the wisdom of naming an element after copper, specifically "Cupernicium."
  • Others express that the names of the other two elements are uninteresting and propose alternative names such as "Onetensium," "Other-Halfnium," and "JessicaAlbium."
  • Several humorous suggestions for new element names are made, including "Yummium," "micromassium," "Macromassium," and "Gadium."
  • There is a suggestion to lump all short-lived elements into a category called "Unobtainium."
  • Some participants reference the historical context of element naming and the lengthy approval process for new names.
  • Discussion includes playful commentary about the naming conventions and the perceived silliness of some proposed names.
  • There is a debate about the ownership of the periodic table, with some asserting that physicists have taken over naming elements beyond a certain atomic number.
  • One participant humorously suggests that "Administratium" is on the "island of stability," while another comments on its theoretical mass and existence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of the names or the involvement of physicists in naming elements, with multiple competing views and humorous suggestions remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the historical context of element naming and the challenges associated with verifying the existence of certain elements due to their instability and short lifetimes.

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The General Assembly of the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics in their never ending quest for new elements to name, has named 3 new elements. I question the wisdom of Cupernicium. He was named after copper.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45171271"
 
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Cupernicium is fine, the other two names are boring.

I propose we call them:
Onetensium (Ot) #110, and Other-Halfnium (or Wholenium) (Wf) # 111 respectively.

Other acceptable names would be JessicaAlbium, Evonium, and Latinum.

Those IUPAP guys sure know how to ruin a perfectly good shower curtain :cry: .
 
Yummium?
(Since elements usually end in "ium".)
 
micromassium??
 
micromass said:
micromassium??

But they are all three rather large, perhaps Macromassium is a good compromise?
 
they all decay rather quickly. i suggest we just lump everything going forward into Unobtainium
 
Surely Administratium is on the "island of stability."
 
I propose "PFium". (Pee-eff-ee-umm)
 
Drakkith said:
I propose "PFium". (Pee-eff-ee-umm)
or Pforium. :biggrin:

I like eleventyoneum for Z=111.


Actually, the names were proposed back in 2004. It only took 7 years to approve the names.
http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2004/pdf/7612x2101.pdf

There are also elements 114 and 116, with the possibility that 113, 115, and 118 have been produced, but they are so short-lived (unstable), that they cannot be verified at this time. Most of these elements are identified from decay products because their quantity and lifetimes are so limited.

http://www.iupac.org/web/nt/2011-06-01_elements_114_116

I also see a relatively new term in referring to these elements - transfermium (Fm, Z=100)


Nice history summary including origin of names of the elements:
http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/content/elements.html
 
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Darmstadtium? Intestinecityium?
 
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Gadium!

Admit it people, it sounds great. :biggrin:Edit: Drizzlium is nice too. :biggrin:
 
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Monique said:
Darmstadtium? Intestinecityium?

I think you need to be (or know) German to understand that! :smile:
 
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I like Serena said:
I think you need to be (or know) German to understand that! :smile:
Or have access to Google Translate.
 
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Monique said:
Darmstadtium? Intestinecityium?
Could that be the wurst joke at PF?
 
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Astronuc said:
Could that be the wurst joke at PF?
Only the brats laugh.
 
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drizzle said:
Gadium!

Admit it people, it sounds great. :biggrin:


Edit: Drizzlium is nice too. :biggrin:

I'm still working on Gadium.
I can only find a Mycobacterium and a DatingSiteium.

Any hints? :confused:
 
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drizzle said:
Gadium!

Admit it people, it sounds great. :biggrin:


Edit: Drizzlium is nice too. :biggrin:
Well, that's probably too close to Gadolinium.
 
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I vote this thread be closed for a PF first, "http://www.thefreedictionary.com/silliness" " :biggrin: :devil:

Let's hope it doesn't take as long as this.
It only took 7 years to approve the names.

Rhody...
 
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How about linoleum, rustoleum, and valium?
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
The General Assembly of the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics in their never ending quest for new elements to name, has named 3 new elements. I question the wisdom of Cupernicium. He was named after copper.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45171271"

I thought at least the periodic table belonged to the Chemistry folks. Why do the physicists mess around with the Periodic table?
 
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jobyts said:
I thought at least the periodic table belonged to the Chemistry folks. Why do the physicists mess around with the Periodic table?

Only the first part belongs to the chemistry folks.
They gave up on it when we hit about 100.
Nowadays the upper part belongs to the physicists (or perhaps the mathematicians :wink:).
 
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jtbell said:
Surely Administratium is on the "island of stability."

Yes, but it is FAR too massive to have been discovered as yet in its elemental form, it exists only as an amorphous blob that cannot be broken into constituent atoms.
 
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jobyts said:
I thought at least the periodic table belonged to the Chemistry folks. Why do the physicists mess around with the Periodic table?
Actually it was Pauli that explained the table.
 

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