I've always thought you cannot add up denominators

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical concept of adding fractions, specifically focusing on whether it is valid to add denominators directly when combining fractions. Participants explore the implications of this operation in the context of specific ratios and geometric relationships.

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  • One participant questions the validity of adding denominators, expressing a long-held belief that it cannot be done.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical formulation involving ratios and demonstrates that under certain conditions, the sum can be simplified to a single ratio.
  • A different participant challenges the correctness of the initial sum and offers to provide reasoning if needed.
  • One participant acknowledges a correction, noting that the algebra appears compelling but expresses confusion about the underlying geometric relationship that allows for the simplification.
  • Another participant clarifies that it is incorrect to replace multiple fractions with a single fraction by simply adding numerators and dividing by the sum of denominators, except in specific cases where the fractions are equal.
  • A participant illustrates an example of equal ratios, suggesting that the ratio is preserved when adding equal fractions.
  • Another participant confirms that the initial question is correct, providing a brief affirmation and a more detailed explanation regarding the preservation of ratios in certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of adding denominators directly. While some acknowledge the possibility under specific conditions, others maintain that it is generally incorrect to do so without additional constraints.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the conditions under which the addition of denominators may be valid, as well as the specific geometric relationships that may influence the results. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and understandings of the mathematical principles involved.

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Is this right?
I've always thought you cannot add up denominators...
 
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Let a/sin55=b/sin80=c/sin45=D
then a=Dsin55, b=Dsin80, c=Dsin45
(a+b+c)/(sin55+sin80+sin45)
=(Dsin55+Dsin80+Dsin45)/(sin55+sin80+sin45)
=D(sin55+sin80+sin45)/(sin55+sin80+sin45)
=D
 
Welcome to Physics Forums, nevmx.

That sum is not correct.

Is that all you need, or are you looking for a reason?
 
Some Pig said:
Let a/sin55=b/sin80=c/sin45=D
then a=Dsin55, b=Dsin80, c=Dsin45
(a+b+c)/(sin55+sin80+sin45)
=(Dsin55+Dsin80+Dsin45)/(sin55+sin80+sin45)
=D(sin55+sin80+sin45)/(sin55+sin80+sin45)
=D

I think I stand corrected: the algebra is compelling, but I am not seeing what is going on. It looks like some geometric relationship is setting a constraint that makes it possible.

The denominator is 2.511. I think what's confusing me is that there are an number of values for a, b and c given those angles...
 
nevmx, it is wrong to replace some fractions added together with a signal fraction by adding the the numerators together and dividing that by the sum of the denominators.

If some fractions are equal to each other that is a different situation, though. Apparently, these fractions are also all equal to the sum of the numerators divided by the sum of the denominators. This can be shown using a technique like Some Pig showed.
 
I think I see why now. This is saying that when you add three equal ratios together, the ratio is preserved in the sum.
1/2 + 2/4 + 5/10 = 8/16

Pretty cool.
 
welcome to pf!

hi nevmx! welcome to pf! :smile:
nevmx said:
Is this right?

short answer: yes :biggrin:

longer answer: if the ratio is 1/r, it's (a + b + c)/(ra + rb + rc) :wink:
 

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