Joule's Mechanical Equivalent of Heat

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Joule's Mechanical Equivalent of Heat (MEoH) and its application in equations involving different substances, particularly in the context of steam turbines. Participants explore the implications of using the MEoH constant for substances other than water and its relevance in SI units.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Sean, questions whether Joule's MEoH should remain constant when applying equations derived for water to other substances, or if the specific heat of those substances should be used instead.
  • Another participant explains that MEoH serves as a conversion rate between mechanical and thermal energy, noting that while the conversion factor is constant, specific heats of different materials vary.
  • There is a query about whether Joule's MEoH can be assumed to be unity when working in SI units, suggesting a potential simplification in calculations.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on the assumption of Joule's MEoH as unity in SI, reiterating the idea of it being a conversion factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of Joule's MEoH for substances other than water, with no clear consensus on whether it can be treated as unity in SI units or if specific heats should be considered.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and the need for clarity regarding the specific heat of different materials when applying Joule's MEoH in various contexts.

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As I understand it, J's MEoH is the calorific value of a substance. The standard value for this constant is given for raising 1 lb or kg of water by 1 degree.

I am using equations which use J's MEoH but with other substances. The equations come from a book on steam turbines so they no doubt use J's MEoH constant for water.

Like I said, if I am using these equations for other substances will J's MEoH be the same value or should I use the specific heat of the substance in question?

Many thanks,
Sean
 
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The MEoH is just the conversion rate between different units for the same thing.

Mechanical work or energy is naturally measured in units of force and distance.

Thermal energy was originallly measured in terms of the temperature rise of a unit volume of water.

The two branches of physics were developed more or less indepedently, until the general ideas of conservation of energy and conversion of energy from one form to another were discovered

In the SI system the same units (watts) are used for both, but the "old" units of calories, British Thermal Units, etc, are still used, and need the conversion factor.

There is only value of the conversion factor, just like there are always 12 inches in 1 foot, but the specific heat of different materials is different, just like the density is different. You will find tables of specific heats taht give the value in both "thermal" and "mechanical" units.
 
So if working in SI units I can just assume J to be unity?
 
Can I take Joule's Mechanical Equivalent of Heat, J, as just unity when using SI considering it is just a conversion factor?
 
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