Junior undegrad considering particle physics

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The discussion revolves around a junior undergraduate student contemplating a transition into particle physics despite a background primarily in English and Philosophy. The student expresses concerns about their preparedness for graduate studies in physics, given their limited coursework in the field and the implications of their current academic trajectory.

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Main Points Raised

  • The student has a strong interest in physics but lacks formal education in the subject since high school, having only taken introductory courses.
  • Some participants suggest that a graduate degree in physics typically requires a solid foundation from an undergraduate degree in physics, making the transition challenging without completing the necessary coursework.
  • The student considers dropping a major to pursue a minor in physics, which would include several calculus-based physics courses and mathematical methods, but questions whether this would suffice for graduate studies.
  • Concerns are raised about the absence of key undergraduate courses such as Quantum Mechanics and Electromagnetism, with some participants indicating that these subjects are foundational and taught at a higher level in graduate school.
  • It is noted that graduate-level courses assume familiarity with undergraduate material, which may necessitate additional preparation for the student.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the student faces significant challenges in transitioning to graduate studies in physics without a comprehensive undergraduate background in the field. However, there is no consensus on whether a minor in physics would adequately prepare the student for graduate-level coursework.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of foundational courses in physics for graduate studies and the potential gaps in knowledge that may arise from not completing these courses at the undergraduate level.

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Ok. So I literally just created this account, but I need to ask you all something. I'm a junior in undergraduate college. I am pursuing a double major in English-Literature, and Philosophy. I have always been interested in physics, specifically astronomy, astrophysics, particle physics, etc. However, I'm wondering about my future in such a field since I have not taken physics classes since high school. The highest levels of math that I have had are analytical calculus, Calculus I, Calculus II. I have taken AP physics at high school and calculus based physics at my university, but I had to drop the class at my university because I ended up having to take a medical leave that semester. Here's the thing. I love theorizing, and I understand both the math and theory behind physics pretty well. For the most part I saw my shortcomings I'm math, became lazy and didn't want to actively work to get better, and now I can't stop asking myself why the hell I didn't suck it up. So I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not fighting whether or not I would be capable of doing it, rather I'm fighting from the perspective of A) I will have been in college for 5 semesters when December rolls around B) College is expensive
Thus, I want to do it, and will do it regardless, but I'm wondering if I could jump from my current undergrad to striving for a grad degree in physics.
 
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I'm afraid not. A graduate degree in physics builds on an undergraduate degree in physics. It's possible, albeit difficult, to be accepted if you are deficient in one or a few courses, but you are talking about being short the entire undergraduate degree. The path you are on now won't take you to where you want to go.
 
That's fair. Honestly, I didn't expect anything different. However, let me add something new to the mix. I am considering dropping a major and picking up a physics minor which I could do, and still graduate on time.

The minor would include: Calc based Physics I, II and III, mathematical methods of physics, analysis of calculus I and II, Introduction to Astronomy/Astrophysics.

Actually, the only thing short of what is considered "majoring" in physics by my university is the absence of, one semester of theoretical mechanics, two semesters of general chemistry and one semester of physical chemistry. So basically 4 classes that I would have to take an extra semester of undergrad in order to complete.

So would the minor be enough of a basis to go into physics at a grad level? I have a pretty good grasp of chemistry, or at least the levels that the major requires. It's all pretty basic chem honestly. I understand I wouldn't have taken classes like Intro to Quantum mechanics or Electromagnetism if I get a minor, but would that be an issue since I'm going to learn most of the specialized high level topics like electromagnetism in grad school?
 
Thanks again for your help and comments!
 
jgrieme said:
I understand I wouldn't have taken classes like Intro to Quantum mechanics or Electromagnetism if I get a minor, but would that be an issue since I'm going to learn most of the specialized high level topics like electromagnetism in grad school?

Those courses are taught at a higher level in graduate school than in an undergraduate setting. Professors assume that you have already taken those undergraduate courses, and go faster and further into the material. These are not subjects that you can learn at one go; that's why students cycle through them at least three times, first in introductory courses (your Physics I-III), then in upper-level undergraduate courses, and finally in grad school.
 

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