Jupiter's Moons - A Night of Stargazing from Romania

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The discussion revolves around the observation of Jupiter and its moons from Romania, focusing on the challenges and experiences of stargazing, photography techniques, and the visibility of celestial objects. Participants share their personal experiences and technical insights related to observing Jupiter and its moons with various optical equipment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes seeing Jupiter and three of its moons with the naked eye, although this claim is questioned by others regarding the visibility of the moons due to Jupiter's brightness.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the visibility of Jupiter's moons without optical aid, noting their proximity to Jupiter makes them difficult to distinguish.
  • There is a discussion about the effects of window distortion on the observed image of Jupiter, with suggestions that better results could be achieved outside.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of capturing images of Jupiter, particularly the impact of Earth's rotation on exposure times, with varying opinions on optimal exposure durations.
  • One participant mentions the idea of using a "barn door tracker" to allow for longer exposures without blurring due to planetary motion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that short exposures are preferable for capturing bright objects like Jupiter, suggesting that longer exposures can lead to washed-out images.
  • There is a shared interest in the possibility of seeing multiple moons of Jupiter lined up closely, which could be visible under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the visibility of Jupiter's moons with the naked eye, with some asserting it is unlikely while others recount personal experiences suggesting otherwise. The discussion on optimal exposure times for photography also reveals varying opinions, indicating no consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to equipment, such as the lack of a tripod and the effects of observing through double-glazed windows, which may impact the quality of observations and photographs.

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Astronomy enthusiasts, amateur astronomers, and individuals interested in stargazing techniques may find this discussion relevant, particularly those looking to improve their observational skills and photography of celestial objects.

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Hi all. I'm new here but excited to be mingling with so many intelligent people.

I'm British but live in Romania (Near Brasov) and 2 nights ago I was delighted to see some of Jupiters moons with the naked eye.

I tried to get some pictures but without the right equipment it was a bit of a disaster. Here is the best one I got, Before I snapped the picture, what I could see on the screen was Jupiter and 3 moons.

I was taking the picture though double glazed windows in my bedroom so you can see the the refraction above and left of Jupiter. Interestingly though, in that refraction you can see the current phase of the planet as I was able to see with good binoculars...
 

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I was under the impression Jupiter did not exhibit phases as seen from earth. Jupiter has always been fully illuminated whenever I have viewed it.
 
Maybe I'm imagining it then. I'm only using 8x40 binoculars and a camera with 200mm lens.. But that refraction in the window as well as what I was seeing though both optics looked a lot like a phase...
 
It was probably distortion caused by the window -I guess. You will get much better results outside.

I think binos are great to start with. Take them somewhere dark and you can see many objects. And with your digital camera and a tripod you can try some longer exposure pictures that will show you even more.

Check these out. And welcome to PF!
www.heavens-above.com
http://www.astronomie.be/registax/
 
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I don't have a tripod yet but I set the camera up on the windowsill so It wouldn't move. When I tried long exposures (about 20 seconds) I ended up with long lines created by the planet because we are spinning too fast.. What is the optimum exposure time to get the most light but before the planet moves?
 
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What is the optimum exposure time to get the most light but before the planet moves?

That is a tough one. The motion is constant, I'm sure you know. So the longer the exposure the blurrier (is that a word?) the image. Unless you accommodate!
There was a member on here, yesterday -I think, building a "barn door tracker" to allow longer exposures.
 
Jupiter is bright, so you want short exposures, not long ones -- the picture in the OP is washed-out (too long).
 
just to clarify objects in the OP's image ...

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I seriously doubt you will see any of Jupiter's moons naked eye, tho they fall within the naked eye magnitude range ... M4.5 - 5.6, their close proximity to Jupiter means they are washed out with Jupiter's brightness
Binoculars, large telephoto lens on a camera or small scope at a minimum are needed to separate them from the bright disk of Jupiter

and with any those, the moons will be very close into Jupiter and could be difficult to see being so close
Good Bino's or a larger scope will easily split the 4 Galilean moons from Jupiter so you can see them separately

here's an example from a 10 inch reflector telescope ...

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cheers
Dave
 
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What you indicated is exactly what I was referring to. I looked up at Jupiter when i was going to bed and saw it was not round and that there was a little bit of extra light jutting out from the bottom left of it. Then with Binoculars (and then with confirmation with a star app on my phone) I saw that it was in fact 3 or 4 of the moons all lined up in that exact spot.
 
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Now, that would be a cool sight! I've never seen a moon of Jupiter naked-eye (and never thought about that method), but if two or more get close together, that would definitely be a plausible way to spot them. I need to try that myself!

Slightly curiosity, slightly relevant -- are you overseas in the military, as your avatar picture would imply (not sure if you can tell me...)? Just wondering if you are in a place with exceptionally dark skies, especially compared to my bright suburban philly skies.
 
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I am british but I live in Romania near the town of Brasov. I'm right on the south east side of it with nothing but mountains between me and Jupiter that night.

Regarding the military, I work for a private military company, spend way too much time in messed up places in the middle east and Africa.
 

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