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The discussion revolves around a complex product defined as x = (1 + (1+i)/2)(1 + (1+i)/2^2)(1 + (1+i)/2^2^2)...(1 + (1+i)/2^2^n). Participants are exploring methods to simplify or evaluate this expression, which involves complex algebra.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts, including trigonometric substitutions and expansions. Some suggest examining the powers of z = (1+i)/2 and its implications for higher powers. Others express difficulty in resolving the recurrence due to the +1 in each factor and question how to handle the numerator of a derived expression.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding specific factors, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

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Participants note the complexity introduced by the +1 in each factor, which affects their ability to simplify the product. There is also mention of specific numerical values and relationships that may be relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Find x
[itex]x = (1 + \frac{1+i}{2})(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2})(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2^{2}})...(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2^{n}})[/itex]

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Complex algebra equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Me again and another olympic question. I've tried some trigonometric substitutions, even expand; yet, nothing
 
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Dinheiro said:

Homework Statement


Find x
[itex]x = (1 + \frac{1+i}{2})(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2})(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2^{2}})...(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2^{n}})[/itex]


Homework Equations


Complex algebra equations


The Attempt at a Solution


Me again and another olympic question. I've tried some trigonometric substitutions, even expand; yet, nothing
How about showing some of those results?
 
Dinheiro said:

Homework Statement


Find x
[itex]x = (1 + \frac{1+i}{2})(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2})(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2^{2}})...(1 + (\frac{1+i}{2})^{2^{n}})[/itex]


Homework Equations


Complex algebra equations


The Attempt at a Solution


Me again and another olympic question. I've tried some trigonometric substitutions, even expand; yet, nothing

For ##z = (1+i)/2##, look at ##z^2##. What does this tell you about ##z^4, z^8, \ldots##?
 
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Ray Vickson said:
For ##z = (1+i)/2##, look at ##z^2##. What does this tell you about ##z^4, z^8, \ldots##?
I tried it, though, but I couldn't really solve the recurrency because of the +1 on each factor:
Resolving powers
(1 + (1+i)/2)(1 + i/2)(1 - 1/4)(1 + 1/8)(1 + 1/64)(1 + 1/4096)...
Let's say
a = (1 + (1+i)/2)(1 + i/2)(1 - 1/4)
and
b = (1 + 1/8)(1 + 1/64)(1 + 1/4096)...
We can calculate b's denominator which is
(2^3)[2^(3.2)][2^(3.2.2)][2^(3.2.2.2)]...[2^(3.2.2.2...(n-3))] = 2^[3.2^(n-2) -1]
but b's numerator, I don't know
(9)(65)(4097)...
 
Dinheiro said:
I tried it, though, but I couldn't really solve the recurrency because of the +1 on each factor:
Resolving powers
(1 + (1+i)/2)(1 + i/2)(1 - 1/4)(1 + 1/8)(1 + 1/64)(1 + 1/4096)...
Let's say
a = (1 + (1+i)/2)(1 + i/2)(1 - 1/4)
and
b = (1 + 1/8)(1 + 1/64)(1 + 1/4096)...
We can calculate b's denominator which is
(2^3)[2^(3.2)][2^(3.2.2)][2^(3.2.2.2)]...[2^(3.2.2.2...(n-3))] = 2^[3.2^(n-2) -1]
but b's numerator, I don't know
(9)(65)(4097)...
Did you do what Ray V. suggested?

He did not suggest expanding out each factor, just parts of a few specific factors.
 
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Dinheiro said:
I tried it, though, but I couldn't really solve the recurrency because of the +1 on each factor:
Resolving powers
(1 + (1+i)/2)(1 + i/2)(1 - 1/4)(1 + 1/8)(1 + 1/64)(1 + 1/4096)...
Let's say
a = (1 + (1+i)/2)(1 + i/2)(1 - 1/4)
and
b = (1 + 1/8)(1 + 1/64)(1 + 1/4096)...
We can calculate b's denominator which is
(2^3)[2^(3.2)][2^(3.2.2)][2^(3.2.2.2)]...[2^(3.2.2.2...(n-3))] = 2^[3.2^(n-2) -1]
but b's numerator, I don't know
(9)(65)(4097)...

The simple relation
[tex]\frac{w-1}{w}\times \left(1+\frac{1}{w} \right) = 1-\frac{1}{w^2} \equiv \frac{w^2-1}{w^2}[/tex]
is helpful here.
 
Thanks, Ray V and SammyS!
 

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