Just wondering about x^y = y^x

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation x^y = y^x, exploring its graphical representation and potential mathematical formulations. Participants are interested in the relationships between x and y, particularly in finding functions that describe these relationships and understanding the behavior of the graph.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the graphical representation of x^y = y^x shows two lines: y = x and another resembling y = e^(e/x), prompting questions about the functions f(t) and g(t) that could represent these relationships.
  • Another participant points out the challenge of inputting the equation into graphing software, suggesting that it may require the use of the Lambert W function to solve for y in terms of x.
  • A different participant mentions a previous thread on the topic and suggests a 3D graphing approach using z = x^y - y^x to visualize the relationship.
  • One participant shares their experience using a specific graphing program, noting that it only plotted positive values and exhibited erratic behavior at high values of x and y, but found it generally accurate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying methods for exploring the equation, with no consensus on a single approach or solution. The discussion remains open with multiple perspectives on how to analyze the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in graphing software and the potential complexity of the Lambert W function, indicating that further exploration may depend on advanced mathematical tools.

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This wasnt set for homework just something i thought up so i hope this is the right place to post?

Anyway when i put x^y = y^x (or also lnx/lny = x/y) in a graphing program i realized that there were two lines, y = x and another line that looked a bit like y = e^(e/x) but wasnt.


So this kind of interested me... and i have two questions:

can y^x = x^y be written as y = f(t) and x = g(t) and if so what are f(t) and g(t)?

Is it possible to find the equation of just the line that looks like y = e^(e/x) ?


I have thought about it a bit but have no idea how to go about solving either question. Any degree level maths will be beyond me (doing A level atm) so hopefully there is something simple that i have overlooked?
 
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How did you put xy= yx into a graphing program? Most graphing programs require that the function be put in the form y= f(x) which is the whole problem here.

Solving yx= xy, or, equivalently, y= xy/x for y looks to me like it would involve the "Lambert W function", defined as the inverse to the function f(x)= xex.
 
There was an old thread about this. One thing you can do is graph in 3-d z = x^y - y^x
 
I used a trial version of derive 6 and plugged x^y=y^x straight in. It only plotted for positive values and went a bit crazy at high values of x and y. I think it was fairly accurate though. I remember putting one of the values for the non x=y line into my calculator and it working.
 

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