Kepler's 3rd law to determine mass of jupiter

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The discussion revolves around using Kepler's 3rd law to calculate the mass of Jupiter based on a graph of log10(a) vs log10(P). Participants are exploring the relationship between the semi-major axis and orbital period of Jupiter's moons and how to derive the mass from their graph.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to graphing log10(a) vs log10(P) and mentions the trend line's slope as 3/2, expressing uncertainty about calculating Jupiter's mass from the graph.
  • Another participant suggests posting in the Homework Questions section for additional guidance without providing direct answers.
  • There is a discussion about a potential typo in the mass calculation equation, with one participant asserting that the equation correctly uses P for period, while another insists that Pi should be involved in the equation instead.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to verify the equation against textbooks or class notes, pointing out the presence of P^2 in both the numerator and denominator as a possible error.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the equation used for calculating mass. There is disagreement regarding the proper use of P and Pi in the equation, and uncertainty remains about the correct formulation of Kepler's law in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about potential misprints in the equations and the need for clarity on the definitions of variables used in the calculations.

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my problem involves creating a graph of log10(a) vs log10(P) and to calculate the mass of Jupiter from the graph.

I have created the graph and it seems to be right since the of the trend line is 3/2. My problem is that I am unsure how to go about calculating the mass from the graph.

I used the orbital period and length of the semi-major axis of the Galilean satellites and 3 others to get the equation y = 1.5012x - 8.1973

I have tried using m1+m2= (4*P^2*a^3)/(G*P^2), though that produced a rather large value and doesn't utilize the graph at all.

Any help or nudges in the right direction would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!
 
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You might try posting this same question in the Homework Questions section of PF
https://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=153

They are good at giving nudges without actually doing the problem for you.

It looks to me as if you have a typo or misprint in your equation. You wrote a P instead of a Pi (the number 3.14...)
at one point.

m1+m2= (4*P^2*a^3)/(G*P^2)

Better check in your textbook or your notes from class. A plain letter P would stand for the period.
On the other hand Pi^2 is a number roughly about equal to 10. So 4*Pi^2 is roughly about 40.
Once you check to make sure you don't have any major misprints like that, then if you need help
you could see what you can learn at the PF Homework forum.
 
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thanks for the input - it is actually P, being the period, in my equation, not Pi. I hadn't realized that I had posted in the wrong area.
 
Seriously, you need to check your equation in the textbook or the class notes.
In the way you have written it, you have P^2 both in the numerator and in the denominator.
In one case that is correct, it is supposed to be the period squared.
In another case it is not correct---where you have written P^2 you should have written Pi^2.

The Kepler law equation, as usually written, has a pi^2 in it, and what you have written does not. So it looks to me like you have screwed up the equation. Better check.
 

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