# Kicking a Ball Upwards with force x and mass y

• Gui
In summary, the conversation discusses a physics problem involving kicking a 2kg ball with 50N of force, directly upwards, and determining how far it goes and how long it stays in the air. Two equations have been proposed but it is uncertain which is correct due to missing information about the amount of time the force was applied. One method involves determining the change in momentum, while another suggests using energy equations. Eventually, the conversation concludes that the height of the ball can be used to calculate the time in the air.
Gui

## Homework Statement

Problem (this is an extra credit challenge kinda thing): You kick a 2kg ball with 50N of force, directly upwards. The ball is not moving when you kick it. How far does it go and how long is it in the air (take gravity into consideration)?

## Homework Equations

I don't know, but I've been discussing this on #physics at freenode and 2 equation have been proposed although we haven't managed to figure it out yet: a = a0 - g*t AND v = v0 + at
I'm not sure whether each of them is right or not, but it's been tossed around and discussed. I've also been told I don't have enough information, but my teacher told me I did.

## The Attempt at a Solution

First, I tried this:

force = 50N

mass = 2kg

acceleration = ? = 25 m/s/s

gravity = 9.8 m/s/s

a = a0 - g*t (the second derivative of position equation x = x0 + vt+at^2/2)

a = 0m/s/s (the acceleration at the top when it stops)

a0 = 25m/s/s (the initial acceleration i got from f=m*a)

g = 9.8m/s/s

t = ?

0m/s/s = 25m/s/s - 9.8m/s/s*t

t = 2.551

Then I was told: "Wait a sec... what are you dealing with change in acceleration for" ... " your equation is incorrect ... your equation has acceleration confused with velocity"

So I tried this:

force = 50N

mass = 2kg

acceleration = ? = 25 m/s/s

gravity = 9.8 m/s/s

v = v0 + at (derivative of vf - vi = at)

v = 0 (final velocity, at the top when it stops)

v0 =

I'm not sure what to do from now on though. Any help is appreciated - thanks! :D

I think you don't have enough information.
The crucial piece of the puzzle that's missing is how long the 50N force was applied? 0.01 seconds? 0.1 seconds? It makes a difference.
Without that, you can't determine the change in momentum, from which you may deduce the starting velocity v0. Determining the change in momentum:
F*t = m2*v2 - m1*v1
t being the time of contact and in this case m1=m2, v1=0.

From there on there are several methods to solve this, a simple one is using energies.
1/2 m v^2 = mgh
starting position's kinetic E = potential E of pause at the top

once you got the hight, you can calculate time from 1/2 a t^2.Best wishes

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Yeah, I got told that too... so if I just assume the amoutn of time the foot is in contact with the ball to be 0.1s, then I can do it. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it :)

I'll try and solve it now and I'll post back results

mihajovics said:
F*t = m2*v2 - m1*v1

I got 2.5m/s.

mihajovics said:
F*t = m2*v2 - m1*v1

From there on there are several methods to solve this, a simple one is using energies.
1/2 m v^2 = mgh
starting position's kinetic E = potential E of pause at the top

once you got the hight, you can calculate time from 1/2 a t^2.

I don't quite understand this part though, can you elaborate a little? What do the variables stand for in that equation? Is the equation just a derivative of ke = 1/2mv^2? Also, what do you mean with last line?
Thanks.

If you don't know what potential energy or kinetic energy is, just solve it with your original idea. Also read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_energy

Otherwise...
kinetic energy + potential energy = constant
because energy is reserved within a closed system. (Sorry if that's not the proper expression, my English isn't the best.)

At the starting position (after the kick) for a moment at the very beginning the ball only has kinetic energy.
At the top the ball stops to move for a moment, thus it has 0 kinetic energy. But energy can't just be lost (assuming no air resistance, etc), so what happened to it? It changed into another form of mechanical energy, potential energy: m*g*h m=mass g=gravity h=height.

The two positions:
bottom: 0 + kinetic
top: potential + 0

state 1) = state 2) because energy is reserved within the system.

Once you have the height, you may calculate the amount of time the ball is in the air. Think of how long it would take to drop the item from that height (h). And don't forget to multiply that by two (going up takes the same time as going down).

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I understand it, thanks mate! :D

## 1. How does the force applied affect the height the ball reaches?

The force applied directly affects the height the ball reaches. The greater the force applied, the higher the ball will go. This is because the force provides the necessary energy for the ball to overcome the force of gravity and travel upwards.

## 2. Can the mass of the ball also impact its height when kicked upwards?

Yes, the mass of the ball can also impact its height when kicked upwards. Heavier balls require more force to be applied in order to reach the same height as lighter balls. This is due to the fact that more massive objects have greater inertia and require more energy to be moved.

## 3. What happens to the ball's energy as it is kicked upwards?

As the ball is kicked upwards, it gains potential energy due to its increased height from the ground. This potential energy is a result of the force applied and is stored within the ball. As the ball falls back to the ground, this potential energy is converted back into kinetic energy, causing the ball to bounce back up.

## 4. Is there a limit to how high a ball can be kicked upwards?

Yes, there is a limit to how high a ball can be kicked upwards. This limit is determined by the amount of force applied and the mass of the ball. The higher the force and the lighter the ball, the higher the maximum height the ball can reach.

## 5. How does air resistance affect the height the ball reaches?

Air resistance, also known as drag, can affect the height the ball reaches. It is a force that opposes the motion of the ball and can cause it to lose energy and slow down. This means that the higher the air resistance, the lower the maximum height the ball can reach. However, air resistance is typically negligible for objects like balls and would only have a significant impact in extreme circumstances.

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