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Killer Hippies Convicted of Murder

  1. May 10, 2007 #1

    russ_watters

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    At the risk of starting another veganism debate, I had to post this because it may just be the most distubing thing I've read in months:
    http://www.nbc10.com/news/13286030/detail.html [Broken]

    The good news (if you can call it that) is that the courts acted appropriately and treated them just like any other murderers.
     
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  3. May 10, 2007 #2

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    Truly disgusting.
     
  4. May 10, 2007 #3
    Were they really vegans? I know they profess to be, but that's very ignorant. The vegans I know are much more informed and reasonable than that.
     
  5. May 10, 2007 #4

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    Being a vegan doesn't automatically grant people super intelligence
     
  6. May 10, 2007 #5
    the parents are crazy they're bringing up their child to be a vegan... i mean what if their kid doesn't want that, let the kid make up it's own choices after it's grown up (like 20) and knows the difference and has taken all the essential nutrients for an average growing human... but i guess it's too late now
     
  7. May 10, 2007 #6
    I don't think super intelligence is much needed to raise a child in a healthy manner. You don't have to go far to find Vegans who are possibly less educated, yet will make better decisions than those two did.
     
  8. May 10, 2007 #7

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    Of course if doesn't. On the contrary, it automatically lowers their intelligence.
     
  9. May 10, 2007 #8

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    Well that's just it: it does require a significant amount of extra effort to successfully raise a child that way and as such requires quite a bit of intelligence.

    Just feeding an infant the normal way (breast-feeding) requires no intelligence whatsoever. Every other animal does it instinctively.

    But stupidity driven by religious belief is not a defense for murder, which is why the decision/punishment is appropriate.
     
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  10. May 10, 2007 #9

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    Legally, the definition of "malice murder" seems a bit contradictory as it talks about both intent to kill and recless disregard for consequences. It certainly fits the reckless disregard criteria, though.
    http://www.georgiacriminaldefense.com/georgia-violent-crimes.html
     
  11. May 10, 2007 #10
    Breast feeding would be animal product. Nature's way to feed an infant and they oppose it. Shows the fallacy of their lifestyle.
     
  12. May 10, 2007 #11
    I was responding to the exaggeration of "super intelligence." And, in so many words, this is my attempt at shunning those criminal parents.

    As much as I respect vegetarianism, even I, without yet a college education and very ignorant on raising children, wouldn't bring an infant into that lifestyle.
     
  13. May 10, 2007 #12

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    The super intelligence was just to respond to your comment

    It sounds like you think if someone is a vegan, it means they're informed and reasonable automatically. I agree, these people are dumb, but that doesn't mean they aren't vegans
     
  14. May 10, 2007 #13

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    Is that seriously their logic? Even if the "animal" is a human? I didn't know that.
     
  15. May 10, 2007 #14

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    Yeah, that's if you're a strict vegetarian. Some vegetarians are just whackos in my opinion. Most don't even have a good reason to be vegetarian although you don't need one.

    For example, I don't eat pork or beef. So, that's like almost vegetarian. I do it because I'm not fond of the way they raise pork or beef, environmental reasons and health. I don't like love animals to the point that I can't eat a cow.
     
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    Not for all of them. My one vegetarian friend isn't like that.

    But I do have a vegetarian friend who probably thinks that. She doesn't eat anything "living". No milk, eggs, or even cheese.
     
  18. May 10, 2007 #17
    Well, I know that. But it was an exaggeration.

    I didn't mean it to come across like that. No, I don't think that vegan = automatically informed & reasonable. I mean, it's not fair to call oneself a physicist if they aren't schooled or have the appropriate degree. I doubt it's fair to call oneself a vegan if they aren't following the practice/lifestyle appropriately, misinformed, etc. If they can be called vegans, then I'd call them ignorant, misguided vegans. Do they really represent the vegan population? Is this what vegans do?

    I just don't want a few criminals to become a symbol of the vegan ideals. And I'm already seeing some questionable prejudgment assigned to vegans as a whole. I don't think that's fair.
     
  19. May 10, 2007 #18
    Vegetarians aren't vegans. There's a distinct difference.
     
  20. May 10, 2007 #19

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    you people don't live here in georgia do you? that story was just one of a long series of crazy stuff that happens here all the time. a few months back the police lied to get a no knock drug warrant, busted down a frightened and innocent old ladies door, shot her to death when she fought back, and then threatened an informant to lie and say he had bought drugs there.

    a couple years ago the previous sheriff gave a couple million of the county's money to a con man to invest and lost it all.

    before that, the incumbent sheriff who was turned out of office by an honest subordinate in the election hired a hit man who then murdered the incoming sheriff.

    worse, the incoming sheriff had already resigned his county job, in anticipation of being sheriff, so the county denied his widow his death pay.

    in clayton cty, the new sheriff there fired all the incumbent officers, and stationed snipers on the roof of the courthouse when they came back to get their severance pay.

    you have no doubt heard that the last japanese defender on some pacific island only gave up after 50 years. thats nothing, many people here are still fighting the civil war.

    it goes on and on....
     
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  21. May 10, 2007 #20

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    The fact that these people were vegans is not directly what killed their baby. It is the fact that they were clinging, inflexably, to a rigid dogma. Many babies have died similarly, and their parents were not "hippie vegans."

    http://news.monstersandcritics.com/roundups/article_1300471.php/News_Roundup [Broken]
    A couple of years ago, I believe it was near Providence, a child died due to the parents belief in "laying on of hands." They were quite a conservative family, but no less malicious nor murderous in the end.
     
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  22. May 10, 2007 #21

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    no these were not hippies at all, just very unintelligent and rigid people. i thought this thread was about charles manson or someone.

    we have a lot of dumb parents here. there was a whole church brought up a while back for incredibly severe corporal punishment of their children, ordered by the pastor.

    others lock them in closets. it is difficult to believe some things that go on.

    i myself once took my children to macdonald's.

    some people here still use slide rules. (for computation, not punishment)
     
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  23. May 10, 2007 #22
    That's absurd, there was no rigid dogma, they were just bloody vegans that, personal intelligence aside, made the mistake of not asking a nutritionist about proper vegan childhood nutrition.

    What are you talking about "clinging", "inflexably", I saw no evidence of that in the article. Do you have another source for this story your not sharing with us?

    Hey Look! It's the very next paragraph in the article AFTER above quote:

    oh no! :eek:

    Reading the whole article is good.
     
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  24. May 10, 2007 #23

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    Bring them there once a week and that should be considered murder if your kid dies.
     
  25. May 10, 2007 #24
    Ummm... Russ, you ever try it? From what I've heard, there's a reason that serious books have been written on "the art of breast-feeding"

    Every other animal has a hell of a lot more developed instincts that the human does.

    But yeah, your basic point stands. How dumb do you have to get to watch your baby starve to death over 6 1/2 weeks and not call somebody's mom to ask what's up? (Benifit of doubt--maybe can't afford a doctor/think doctors chop off rats' heads therefore can't be a good vegan and go to doctor.)
     
  26. May 10, 2007 #25
    The baby died from neglect- in this case malnutrition. Just happened that the parents were vegans.
    As for the vegan movement, I think the vegan movement was originally started by and supported by many of those people who are highly lactose intolerant genetically and genetically prone to be also wheat intolerant. So one can pretty much sense who started the nonsense....like much other nonsense. Just because some people are milk intolerant and wheat intolerant, they claim that dairy and wheat products are bad for everyone.
     
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