Killer Hippies Convicted of Murder

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6642543.stm]But[/PLAIN] [Broken] prosecutors in the US city of Atlanta said the couple had deliberately neglected their child.

"No matter how many times they want to say, 'We're vegans, we're vegetarians,' that's not the issue in this case," Prosecutor Chuck Boring is quoted by the Associated Press news agency as saying.

"The child died because he was not fed. Period," he said.
The prosecutor seems to argue that the cause of death was predominantly neglect and that the defense used the vegan lifestyle as a smoke screen.
 
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no these were not hippies at all, just very unintelligent and rigid people. i thought this thread was about charles manson or someone.
No kidding. I think someone has a highly skewed [absurd] perspective.

I have known a number of vegans, and most were engineers.
 
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No kidding. I think someone has a highly skewed [absurd] perspective.

I have known a number of vegans, and most were engineers.
Well, of Course! Is there anyone you know that isn't an engineer?
 
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But yeah, your basic point stands. How dumb do you have to get to watch your baby starve to death over 6 1/2 weeks and not call somebody's mom to ask what's up? (Benifit of doubt--maybe can't afford a doctor/think doctors chop off rats' heads therefore can't be a good vegan and go to doctor.)
There are vegan doctors, hell, you don't even have to go to a doctor, any nutritionist will do, and there are Vegan nutritionists. These people just didn't try. And that's why their in jail.
 
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Originally Posted by mbrmbrg
But yeah, your basic point stands. How dumb do you have to get to watch your baby starve to death over 6 1/2 weeks and not call somebody's mom to ask what's up? (Benifit of doubt--maybe can't afford a doctor/think doctors chop off rats' heads therefore can't be a good vegan and go to doctor.)
There are vegan doctors, hell, you don't even have to go to a doctor, any nutritionist will do, and there are Vegan nutritionists. These people just didn't try. And that's why their in jail.
Exactly. My doctor line was rather tongue in cheek, and why I suggested a mother. You don't need to be a nutritionist to look at a baby that weighs about 1.5 kg and say "Gee, something wrong here."
Who taught these people how to change a diaper? I'm sure they would have been happy to teach them how to keep a kid alive, also!
 
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The baby died from neglect- in this case malnutrition. Just happened that the parents were vegans.
As for the vegan movement, I think the vegan movement was originally started by and supported by many of those people who are highly lactose intolerant genetically and genetically prone to be also wheat intolerant. So one can pretty much sense who started the nonsense....like much other nonsense. Just because some people are milk intolerant and wheat intolerant, they claim that dairy and wheat products are bad for everyone.
Yeah, that is IF it originally came from highly lactose intolerant and wheat intolerant people. I doubt this is the case.
 
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It is more important that a vegan breastfeed a baby than a nonvegan because there are no fully nutritional vegan formulas.

http://www.vegfamily.com/babies-and-toddlers/breastfeeding-vegan-baby.htm" [Broken]

Most of you probably know how important it is to breastfeed your baby, but it's even more important when you're vegan. As of this writing there are no commercial soy infant formulas on the U.S. market that are 100% vegan. They all contain Vitamin D derived from an animal. And cow's milk formulas are out for obvious reasons. What does that leave you with? Not much choice. If you want your baby to be vegan, you've got to breastfeed or find a milk bank that has collected and stored milk from a vegan mom (difficult at best).
 
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From what I've heard, there's a reason that serious books have been written on "the art of breast-feeding"
That speaks to ignorance, not lack of intelligence. The practice not only predates books, it predates humans.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me that you need a license to drive, a permit to build a shed on your own property, a dog or cat license, but any moron who wants one, or accidently gets pregnant, can have a kid.
 
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Vegetarianism/Veganism is all stupid IMO. If you dont want to eat it for health resons, I can understand. But if you think your saving the animals and all that other BS your an idiot.

Im glad they got sent to prison for their stupidity.
 
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That's absurd, there was no rigid dogma, they were just bloody vegans that, personal intelligence aside, made the mistake of not asking a nutritionist about proper vegan childhood nutrition.

What are you talking about "clinging", "inflexably", I saw no evidence of that in the article. Do you have another source for this story your not sharing with us?

Hey Look! It's the very next paragraph in the article AFTER above quote:



oh no! :eek:

Reading the whole article is good.
Hmm... I think you misunderstood me, but then again I was not too clear with my point. Here's my reasoning. My assumption is the following: The parents are idiots yet they really were unaware of the damage they were doing until it was too late. This leads me to believe that they were enveloped in a rigid set of rules (I dunno, they read a book maybe, about the greatness of soy) and if they were following these rules then there must not be any problem because they were following the rules.

I do not think they should even be called vegans for that matter, because that word implies a deeper knowledge of nutritian.

And I usually do read articles to their fullest extent. I'd appreciate being given the benefit of that doubt even if my point is poorly formed in haste:wink:
 
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Vegetarianism/Veganism is all stupid IMO.
I'm a meatatarian myself, but there is a cost for living so high on the food chain. Does anyone here care to work out the implications of meat eating on global warming? All those animals blowing C02 into the atmosphere. Would you cut down on or cut out meat eating to save the environment if it could be shown that there was a connection?
 
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Vegetarianism/Veganism is all stupid IMO. If you dont want to eat it for health resons, I can understand. But if you think your saving the animals and all that other BS your an idiot.

Im glad they got sent to prison for their stupidity.
It's the neglect, more than the stupidity, that bothers me. I certain that parents of much lower intelligence can raise a child better than that. This is the "rigidity" that I referred to before: a parent has to willfully ignore dozens of warning signs befroe a child is that foregone. This goes beyond stupidity. If a parent has any love for their child at all, then this willfull neglect has to be fueled by some errant, dogmatic structure.

Again, for the record, I have no beef against veganism (sorry). I maintain that these people subscribed to some fringe crackpot variation of a meatless diet.
 
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That speaks to ignorance, not lack of intelligence. The practice not only predates books, it predates humans.
Either way, it's something that women don't just "know how to do".
 
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I'm a meatatarian myself, but there is a cost for living so high on the food chain. Does anyone here care to work out the implications of meat eating on global warming? All those animals blowing C02 into the atmosphere. Would you cut down on or cut out meat eating to save the environment if it could be shown that there was a connection?
No. I eat animals because they are tasty I am top of the food chain, sucks for the ones on the bottom, thats life.
 
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Either way, it's something that women don't just "know how to do".
There are billions of women. How many such books?
 
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Again, for the record, I have no beef against veganism (sorry). I maintain that these people subscribed to some fringe crackpot variation of a meatless diet.
I think they are just as foolish as someone that goes to chuch (mosque, synagog, tack your pick) every sunday, and shakes when god talks to them. :bugeye:

Edit: Women now need books on breastfeeding? :rofl: Give me a break.
 
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I am top of the food chain, sucks for the ones on the bottom, thats life.
No question, but what about the implications for global warming?
 
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Dear god, your right! All those stupid farting cows are warming the ozone. We should kill them all! :rofl:


...farting anmials aint warming up the globe. Its the farting animals driving SUVs we gotta eliminate.
 
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Either way, it's something that women don't just "know how to do".
Uhm, yes they do. The books are a scam to make money. I never read a book and I had no trouble. it doesn't take too long to realize which end of the kid to hold to your breast, trust me, the kid takes over instantly.
 
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Its the farting animals driving SUVs we gotta eliminate.
You are high on the food chain. That doesn't just mean that you eat things that don't eat you. It also means that the things you eat eat other things. It takes a lot of grain to feed the cattle. The grain is created with tractors. It's not just you and the cow, its an ecosystem. I ask again. Would you give up or cut back on eating meat if it could be shown that there was a connection between meat eating and global warming?
 
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Nope, because there is no connection. Thats really a far stretch. The fact is, we use far more chemicals on growing plants than on animals. All that plant runoff goes right into the water systems.
 
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Nope, because there is no connection. Thats really a far stretch. The fact is, we use far more chemicals on growing plants than on animals. All that plant runoff goes right into the water systems.
And the cows eat it. And you eat the cow. If we ate less meat, we would grow less grain. We are high on the food chain.
 
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The vast majority of plantfoods grown around the world go to feeding people and not animals. There are 9 billion people, not 9 billion cows.

Sure, the cows require alot of plant food, but then again you would have to grow that much plant food to replace the lost food by not eating the cow anyways. Either way, you're going to grow lots of grain. Might as well enjoy eating the cows while your at it.


....besides, who could give up steak and eggs!:!!)
 
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you would have to grow that much plant food to replace the lost food by not eating the cow anyways.
No you wouldn't. That's my point.
 

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