Kim et al DCQE optical details

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The discussion centers on the optical details of the Kim et al. delayed choice quantum eraser (DCQE) setup, specifically focusing on the phase relationships and contributions of entangled photon pairs detected by different detectors. Participants explore the implications of phase changes due to reflections at a beam splitter and how these affect the resulting interference patterns.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the origin of a +/- 90 degree phase offset in the contributions to the detection patterns at D1 and D2, noting that the raw pattern at D0 is not an interference pattern.
  • Another participant asserts that the diagram is not symmetrical and points out that one of the rays reflected from the beam splitter undergoes a phase change of 180 degrees due to reflection from a denser medium.
  • A subsequent reply agrees that the phase change applies to both detectors but emphasizes that the phase difference between the red and blue components within each superposition is what determines detection rates, rather than the phase of the superpositions themselves.
  • One participant reiterates the point about the phase change due to reflection from different media and expresses confusion about the implications for the patterns observed.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding of the initial comment and clarifies that the reflection in the beam splitter is shown on just one face, which resolves their confusion regarding the phase changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some disagreement regarding the interpretation of the phase changes and their implications for the detection patterns. While there is acknowledgment of the phase changes due to reflection, the significance of these changes in relation to the overall detection outcomes remains contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of phase changes based on the medium of reflection, but there are unresolved aspects regarding how these phase differences specifically affect the detection rates and patterns observed at D1 and D2.

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I am (still) trying to understand the optics of the Kim et al DCQE set-up. It is the optics of the "erased" cases that I don't understand.

These are the entangled pairs where the "idler" photon is detected by D1 and D2. Each detector receives a contribution, from one slit, that has passed through the beam splitter and another, from the other slit, that has been reflected from it. The diagram looks pretty symmetrical. Yet there is actually a +/- 90 degree phase offset for the two contributions. This causes the two patterns (created by the correlator) to be offset by 180 degrees so their peaks and troughs cancel. Indeed they must cancel because the raw pattern at D0 itself is not an interference pattern.

Please note I'm not asking about the nature of the two-photon state. I just don't know where that wretched (but essential) 90 degrees comes from!

Thanks
 
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The diagram is not symmetrical. Look again at the rays reflected from Bsc. One of them is reflected upon meeting a more dense medium and undergoes a phase change of 1800.
 
Dadface said:
The diagram is not symmetrical. Look again at the rays reflected from Bsc. One of them is reflected upon meeting a more dense medium and undergoes a phase change of 1800.

Of course. But that applies to both detectors. D1 receives a reflected blue ray and a transmitted red. D2 receives a reflected red ray and a transmitted blue.

So, yes, as they emerge from the beam splitter the two "ray-superpositions" should be 180 degrees out of phase with each other. However. that is of no interest because they are about to be detected and phase is irrelevant. You could get the same effect by moving one of the detectors by half a wavelength! The phase that matters is the phase difference between the red and blue components within each superposition since it is this that determines the detection rates at D1 AND D2 and therefore the allocation of the signal photons to their respective patterns.
 
I don't quite understand your comment but the two patterns are out of phase due to one of the reflected rays undergoing a phase change of 1800. This is because that ray is reflected from a more dense medium The other reflected ray is reflected from a less dense medium and does not undergo a phase change.
 
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Dadface said:
I don't quite understand your comment but the two patterns are out of phase due to one of the reflected rays undergoing a phase change of 1800. This is because that ray is reflected from a more dense medium The other reflected ray is reflected from a less dense medium and does not undergo a phase change.

Oh! Got it! Thanks! You didn't understand my comment because I had completely missed the point. Sorry!

I'd been staring at that picture for a year and never noticed that the reflection in the beam splitter is shown on just one "face". I was thinking in terms of a half-silvered mirror, not, as implied, reflection at a change of medium.

Thanks again.
 
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