Kinematics, deriving equations.

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The forum discussion focuses on deriving kinematic equations for position and velocity under constant acceleration. The key equations discussed include x = v0t + (at2)/2 for position and vf = vi + at for velocity. Participants emphasize the importance of starting from the derivative definitions of position, velocity, and acceleration, specifically using the equations v(t) = dx/dt and a(t) = dv/dt. The discussion clarifies that the task is to derive these equations using fundamental calculus principles, particularly integration.

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Homework Statement


"Derive the equations for position (in terms of acceleration, initial position, initial velocity, and time) and velocity (in terms of constant acceleration, a, initial velocity, v0, and time, t) from the definitions of position, velocity, and acceleration (derivative definitions).

Homework Equations


x = v0t + (at2)/2
vf = vi + at
x = [(vf + vi) / 2]t
vf2 = vi2 + 2ax
d/dx[x(t)] = v(t)
d/dx[v(t)] = a(t)
xf = xi + ∫ 0tvdt

3. The attempt at solution
I don't know exactly what it is asking. I got confused by the very end... Thanks!
 
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Hmmm. I'm not sure how to give a hint without pretty much giving it away. Start with your second to last equation and assume acceleration is constant. I think you can tell what to do. (By the way, that's dt, not dx.)

I think some confusion may arise from familiarity. This derivation is how they describe these things in class and right at the front of the book. It seems so basic and fundamental that you have a hard time thinking of it as an answer to a question. Surely it's a starting point not the goal. Surely they want more than this. Nope. That's all they want. They want you to derive your equation 1 and equation 2 starting with your equations 5 and 6 (after you correct them) just like they do in chapter 1.
 
You have the answer in your relevant equations.

We say that change in position is the velocity.

That is:
\begin{equation}
v(t) = \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}
\end{equation}
We used this notation in alegebra-based physics because we are taking the difference between two points which is a secant line (i.e rise/run).

Luckily, you know calculus, where you can find the instantaneous rate of change which is given by a tangent line.

Therefore, our velocity equation becomes:
\begin{equation}
v(t) = \frac{dx}{dt}
\end{equation}

You know that the change in velocity is the acceleration, that is:
\begin{equation}
a(t) = \frac{dv}{dt}
\end{equation}
If a = constant.

Integrate a(t) to get v(t)
If a is a constant, then the integral is simple.
\begin{equation}
v(t) = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} a \ dt = a \int_{t_1}^{t_2} dt = at + c
\end{equation}

but the constant c is in this case, v$_0$ (you're starting velocity)

Follow the logic for the rest of the problem. Keep integrating until you get to position (i.e x(t).)
 
Wow, okay, I am sort of seeing what the problem is asking. Thanks! I thought for a moment that I needed to derive specific kinematic equations...
 

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