Need help with this question regarding kinematics.

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving the motion of a ball thrown off a cliff with an initial velocity in the negative y-direction. Participants are analyzing the parameters of the problem to determine the height of the cliff based on the time taken for the ball to reach the ground.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to apply kinematic equations to find the displacement of the ball. There is confusion regarding the correct identification of initial and final velocities, as well as the application of the equations.

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Some participants have pointed out errors in the original poster's understanding of the initial and final velocities. There is ongoing clarification about the correct equations to use and how to properly substitute values into them. A participant noted that they arrived at the expected answer after correcting their approach.

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There is a mention of potential dimensional inconsistencies in the equations being discussed, indicating that participants are critically evaluating the mathematical setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


a) A ball is thrown in the -y direction off of a cliff with a velocity of 7m/s. If the ball takes 1.45s to reach the ground, how high off of the ground is the cliff? (Answer: -20m)

Homework Equations


Vf=Vi+a(t)

Displacement=Vi(t)+1/2a(t)^2

Vf^2=Vi^2+2a(Displacement)

Displacement= 1/2(Vf+Vi)(t)[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


Known Values: [/B]
  • Acceleration(a): -9.8m/s^2
  • Time(t):1.45s
  • Final Velocity(Vf): -7m/s
  • Initial Velocity(Vi): 0m/s
  • Displacement:?

I plug in the numbers and I'm not getting -20m as my answer. What am I doing wrong? or what am I not doing?
 
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DracoMalfoy said:
Initial Velocity(Vi): 0m/s
This is not correct. The problem statement says that the ball is thrown with an velocity 7 m/s in the negative y-direction. This refers to the initial velocity, not the final velocity.
 
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The only equation you need is ## s=v_i t +\frac{1}{2}at^2 ##. I don't know where the arithmetic is going wrong. Please show us what you get when you plug it in.
 
Orodruin said:
This is not correct. The problem statement says that the ball is thrown with an velocity 7 m/s in the negative y-direction. This refers to the initial velocity, not the final velocity.

Yes, I see that now. I also didn't plug in the numbers correctly in my first attempt. I did end up getting -20 this time. If that really IS the correct answer. Thanks.
 
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DracoMalfoy said:

Homework Statement


a) A ball is thrown in the -y direction off of a cliff with a velocity of 7m/s. If the ball takes 1.45s to reach the ground, how high off of the ground is the cliff? (Answer: -20m)

Homework Equations


Vf=Vi+a(t)

Displacement=Vi(t)+1/2a(t)^2

Vf^2=Vi^2+2a(Displacement)

Displacement= 1/2(Vf+Vi)(t)[/B]

Last line is wrong you lost the squares.
 
CWatters said:
Last line is wrong you lost the squares.
Displacement is the average velocity multiplied by the time. The last line of the OP is correct.
 
CWatters said:
Last line is wrong you lost the squares.
No, it is not wrong. Squares would make it dimensionally inconsistent.
Note that
$$
v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2as \quad \Longrightarrow \quad
s = \frac{v_f^2 - v_i^2}{2a} = \frac{v_f+v_i}{2} \underbrace{\frac{v_f - v_i}{a}}_{= t}
$$
 

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