Kinematics, deriving equations.

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The original poster is tasked with deriving equations for position and velocity in the context of kinematics, specifically using definitions related to derivatives of position, velocity, and acceleration. The problem involves understanding the relationships between these concepts under the assumption of constant acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the confusion surrounding the problem's requirements and the derivation process. Some suggest starting from specific equations provided, while others emphasize the fundamental nature of the derivation as a basic exercise rather than a complex task.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering hints and guidance on how to approach the derivation. There is recognition of the need to clarify the original poster's understanding of the task, and some participants express that the derivation is more straightforward than initially perceived.

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There is mention of potential confusion stemming from the original poster's familiarity with the material and the specific notation used in the equations. The discussion also highlights the importance of correcting any misunderstandings related to the equations before proceeding with the derivation.

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Homework Statement


"Derive the equations for position (in terms of acceleration, initial position, initial velocity, and time) and velocity (in terms of constant acceleration, a, initial velocity, v0, and time, t) from the definitions of position, velocity, and acceleration (derivative definitions).

Homework Equations


x = v0t + (at2)/2
vf = vi + at
x = [(vf + vi) / 2]t
vf2 = vi2 + 2ax
d/dx[x(t)] = v(t)
d/dx[v(t)] = a(t)
xf = xi + ∫ 0tvdt

3. The attempt at solution
I don't know exactly what it is asking. I got confused by the very end... Thanks!
 
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Hmmm. I'm not sure how to give a hint without pretty much giving it away. Start with your second to last equation and assume acceleration is constant. I think you can tell what to do. (By the way, that's dt, not dx.)

I think some confusion may arise from familiarity. This derivation is how they describe these things in class and right at the front of the book. It seems so basic and fundamental that you have a hard time thinking of it as an answer to a question. Surely it's a starting point not the goal. Surely they want more than this. Nope. That's all they want. They want you to derive your equation 1 and equation 2 starting with your equations 5 and 6 (after you correct them) just like they do in chapter 1.
 
You have the answer in your relevant equations.

We say that change in position is the velocity.

That is:
\begin{equation}
v(t) = \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}
\end{equation}
We used this notation in alegebra-based physics because we are taking the difference between two points which is a secant line (i.e rise/run).

Luckily, you know calculus, where you can find the instantaneous rate of change which is given by a tangent line.

Therefore, our velocity equation becomes:
\begin{equation}
v(t) = \frac{dx}{dt}
\end{equation}

You know that the change in velocity is the acceleration, that is:
\begin{equation}
a(t) = \frac{dv}{dt}
\end{equation}
If a = constant.

Integrate a(t) to get v(t)
If a is a constant, then the integral is simple.
\begin{equation}
v(t) = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} a \ dt = a \int_{t_1}^{t_2} dt = at + c
\end{equation}

but the constant c is in this case, v$_0$ (you're starting velocity)

Follow the logic for the rest of the problem. Keep integrating until you get to position (i.e x(t).)
 
Wow, okay, I am sort of seeing what the problem is asking. Thanks! I thought for a moment that I needed to derive specific kinematic equations...
 

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