Kinematics of three runners in a race

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The problem involves three runners, A, B, and C, competing in a 100-meter race at constant speeds. The original poster seeks to determine the time interval by which runner A beats runner C, given that A beats B by 10 meters and B beats C by 10 meters.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of assuming different speeds for runner A and question how these assumptions affect the time difference between runners A and C. There is discussion about the number of unknowns and equations in the problem, as well as the relationships between the runners' speeds and distances.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, noting that the interval between runners A and C is not uniquely determined with the given information. Some have suggested methods to explore the problem further, while others have pointed out potential misunderstandings regarding the distances involved.

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There is a recognition that the problem has multiple unknowns and that assumptions about the runners' speeds may lead to different conclusions. The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationships between the runners as they finish the race.

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Homework Statement



Runners A, B, and C run a 100-m race, each at a constant speed.
Runner A takes first place, beating runner B by 10 m. Runner
B takes second place, beating runner C by 10 m. By what time
interval does runner A beat runner C?

Homework Equations


d = 100 m
Δd = 10 m
Δt_{i} = time for runner i to travel 100 m
v_{i} = speed of runner i

The Attempt at a Solution


Can this problem be solved without knowing the speed of one of the runners? Here's a few equalities for this problem:

v_{a} = \frac{d}{Δt_{a}}
v_{b} = \frac{d-Δd}{Δt_{a}}
v_{c} = \frac{v_{b}Δt_{b}-Δd}{Δt_{b}}

 
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Try assuming a couple of different velocities for runner A and then work out the time difference. Does the time difference vary with the velocity of runner A? This should answer your question.
 
Note that runner A beats runner C by more than 20 m.
 
bkraabel said:
Note that runner A beats runner C by more than 20 m.

Yikes, that's right!

I am deleting my post accordingly to think more about this.
 
I tried assuming a few speeds for runner A and found that the interval between runners A and C depends on the speed of runner A. In other words, there is no unique solution with the given information.
 
The problem has six unknowns (3 speeds and 3 times) and five equations. It is fairly trivial to express any five unknowns in terms of the other one.
 
Right all around. At least I got the 'no unique solution' part right ...
 
time for C

A beats C by a time period of 20/VC

VC=velocity of C
 
nil1996 said:
A beats C by a time period of 20/VC

VC=velocity of C

This assumes that A beats C by 20 meters. This is not given. What is given is that B beats C by 10 meters, which happens when B is at the finish line. When A is at the finish line, B is not there, so you can't assume that he is 10 meters ahead of C yet.
 

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